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Title: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on February 15, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
I thought about starting this to show the before and after shots of our restoration work, especially as SpaceDuck is now starting to re-tolex his Rhodes I thought it might be a good idea. Plus it would be useful to put any tips for future work.

So here is my Rhodes

This I bought in a bit of a sorry state as you will see, the eBay seller described the inside as good and with a slight bit of corrosion on the tines and tonebars! It cost me £600 and an extra £100 for the lid as he initially didn't want to sell it with one. It had deep scratches on the harp cover, red wax on the keys and lid and white paint all over it, no legs/braces or sustain pedal & rod, I was happy though! :)

Before:

Rusted Tines & Pickups
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/Tines.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/RustyPickup.jpg)

Ripped tolex
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF2847.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF2848.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF2856.jpg)

After I sanded down and re-sprayed the harp but the rest still required restoring
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF2911.jpg)

Scratched lid
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/Harplidscratched.jpg)

After

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF3384.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF3426.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF3434.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF2979.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/DSCF3386.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/RhodesComparison.jpg)
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Mark II on February 15, 2010, 04:14:08 PM
looks good.
what did you do against the rust ?
kind regards
Mark II
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on February 15, 2010, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: "Mark II"
looks good.
what did you do against the rust ?
kind regards
Mark II


Thanks MK II!

The harp frame I sanded down using a delta sander for a nice even finish which completely removed the rust. I then used a grey primer and added roughly 7 or so coats of gold to give it a good level of protection. In between each layer I lightly sanded it down to smooth out the finish.

The pickups I used an ordinary dremmel, there was so much rust on them by the 73 note there was nothing left of the wire brush!
The tines, I sanded down using fine sandpaper and the tone generators I initially used the wire brush of the dremmel (what was left of it) to remove the white oxidisation but some of the tines required a bit more effort so I used some fine sandpaper on the sander, the end picture is a perfect example.
The tonebars however need a proper acid bath and re-plate so instead I purchased a clean set off eBay off a MK1 88 key for about £40. My plan is to sort out the existing tonebars and probably sell them on.

T
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: drcarver on February 15, 2010, 04:47:02 PM
You beat me to it!

Oh well, your resto looks great!

Here's some of mine:

I didn't take too many pics, but here's what I've done so far:

Eased all keys
Adjusted strike line
New damper felts
New hammer tips
New tolex
New Grill cloth
Painted the lid
Gold Painted hardware
Backcheck mod

Here's the before pic.  It looked pretty decent, but needed a few tweaks.  The tolex was ripped in a few areas.  I told myself I was just going to work on the inside stuff, but lost control pretty quickly.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/DSC00903.jpg)

The lid had wax all over it so I decided to sand and repaint.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/photo-3.jpg)

After a few coats of primer
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/1.jpg)


After several coats of paint and clear (It is pretty sparkly, but for some reason doesn't photo well)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/DSC00969.jpg)

I was in the zone while doing the tolex and grillcloth, but I managed to snap a couple of pics with my phone.
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/3.jpg)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/2.jpg)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/4.jpg)

After
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/DSC00942.jpg)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/DSC00942.jpg)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/DSC00960.jpg)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/drcarver/DSC00975.jpg)
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on February 15, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
Thanks drcarver!

That suitcase just looks superb, when I first saw it about a month ago I wasn't too sure about the crocodile tolex but now I love it! It definitely works.

It's amazing how far it can spiral out of control when you just aim to do one thing :) even now I still want to alter little things on the piano, 1 I need to add the miracle mod, that should arrive on Thursday. 2 I want to get the keys re-bushed (£40) and I also want to replace the front Rhodes badge on the rail (couple of nicks on it) and the seventy three logo because it's missing an e off the end. Perhaps do the back check mod, but I don't know yet. I really don't know what I'll do with myself when I've done it though! I'll probably get another one which needs a lot of work :)


Did you coat the gold paint with a varnish afterwards? I'm impressed at how much you managed to sand down, it looks as if you built the lid and box yourself.

T
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: drcarver on February 15, 2010, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: "tjh392"
Thanks drcarver!

That suitcase just looks superb, when I first saw it about a month ago I wasn't too sure about the crocodile tolex but now I love it! It definitely works.


Did you coat the gold paint with a varnish afterwards? I'm impressed at how much you managed to sand down, it looks as if you built the lid and box yourself.

T


I went back and forth on the croc tolex, but I'm glad I got it.  It is quite a bit thicker than the original and a little tough to work with, but it is amazing up close when finished.


I did use a clear varnish over the gold.  I let the paint and the varnish cure for 1 week each.  It still didn't turn out like I had hoped, and it is coming off in a few places, but I still think it looks better than the old stuff that was on there before.  Someone should really manufacture brass hardware.

Also, I highly recommend the backcheck mod.
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: MichaelHammar on February 18, 2010, 03:50:59 AM
Question to those who've been doing restoration:  Where can I find black chrome hardware (not matte black)?  

I'd like to redo my Rhodes MKII and have been looking for black chrome hardware but haven't been able to find any yet.

Any info would be greatly appreciated! thanks!
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on February 18, 2010, 04:13:42 AM
Hi Michael

I can honestly say I've never seen some before, I don't think they even manufacture it for Fender (at least not as standard)

The only option I could Imagine is getting a local company to chrome it for you, but that would be very expensive.

Sorry

T
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: MichaelHammar on February 18, 2010, 05:37:54 AM
Quote from: "tjh392"
Hi Michael

I can honestly say I've never seen some before, I don't think they even manufacture it for Fender (at least not as standard)

The only option I could Imagine is getting a local company to chrome it for you, but that would be very expensive.

Sorry

T


Thanks T!

Yeah, I haven't come across any such hardware online neither have suppliers been able to locate any.  I think my only option is to have them chromed by a shop which isn't that bad since I have some parts to chrome for my chopper (bike), I'll see about throwing the hardware and also the legs as well in for them to chrome....  Just not sure if it'll be easy to chrome latches though...
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: drcarver on February 18, 2010, 08:29:10 AM
I don't think anyone manufactures them.  A good chrome shop should be able to handle the latches with no problems, but it will cost you.  I did a pretty extensive search for gold hardware when I was restoring my Rhodes, but ended up just using spraypaint.
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: pianotuner steveo on February 18, 2010, 09:00:29 AM
Excellent job, drcarver...love the color choices
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: drcarver on February 18, 2010, 09:04:03 AM
^Thanks!  I was on the fence about the orange(it was supposed to be a darker, metallic copper), but I'm warming up to it.
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: The_Cause on February 21, 2010, 09:34:22 PM
Hi T;

I have access to a Dremel and was thinking of using it to remove some rust/corrosion on my MKII pickups. Did you just leave the pickups in place? Also which wire brush did you use?


Thanks!




quote="tjh392"]
Quote from: "Mark II"
looks good.
what did you do against the rust ?
kind regards
Mark II


Thanks MK II!

The harp frame I sanded down using a delta sander for a nice even finish which completely removed the rust. I then used a grey primer and added roughly 7 or so coats of gold to give it a good level of protection. In between each layer I lightly sanded it down to smooth out the finish.

The pickups I used an ordinary dremmel, there was so much rust on them by the 73 note there was nothing left of the wire brush!
The tines, I sanded down using fine sandpaper and the tone generators I initially used the wire brush of the dremmel (what was left of it) to remove the white oxidisation but some of the tines required a bit more effort so I used some fine sandpaper on the sander, the end picture is a perfect example.
The tonebars however need a proper acid bath and re-plate so instead I purchased a clean set off eBay off a MK1 88 key for about £40. My plan is to sort out the existing tonebars and probably sell them on.

T[/quote] :D  :D
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on February 22, 2010, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: "The_Cause"
Hi T;

I have access to a Dremel and was thinking of using it to remove some rust/corrosion on my MKII pickups. Did you just leave the pickups in place? Also which wire brush did you use?


Thanks!


Hi!

I took the entire harp off the piano, removed the tonebar rail from the harp and left the pick-up rail in situ to save all the hassle.

This was the sort of brush I used:

http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Dremel-532-Stainless-Steel-Brush-End-Shape-%285-Pack%29/95620/Cat/1259?RefID=CJ

I initially tried this brush:

http://www.rainydaymagazine.com/RDM2008/RainyDayGarage/TireTote/WireBrushBig.jpg

But then spent most of the day avoiding the stray wire which would come loose and propel itself into me. So avoid it if you can, but if you can't wear some thick clothing (more than a t-shirt) and some goggles! :)

Once I finished cleaning the pickups with the top wire brush they looked perfect. Oh and make sure you've removed any filings left over afterwards, the magnet will hold onto it and you increase the chance of them shorting out when you power it up. So either use some compressed air or go over them with a cloth or brush and make sure nothing is left on them.

Hope this helps!

T
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: The_Cause on February 22, 2010, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: "tjh392"
Quote from: "The_Cause"
Hi T;

I have access to a Dremel and was thinking of using it to remove some rust/corrosion on my MKII pickups. Did you just leave the pickups in place? Also which wire brush did you use?


Thanks!


Hi!

I took the entire harp off the piano, removed the tonebar rail from the harp and left the pick-up rail in situ to save all the hassle.

This was the sort of brush I used:

http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Dremel-532-Stainless-Steel-Brush-End-Shape-%285-Pack%29/95620/Cat/1259?RefID=CJ

I initially tried this brush:

http://www.rainydaymagazine.com/RDM2008/RainyDayGarage/TireTote/WireBrushBig.jpg

But then spent most of the day avoiding the stray wire which would come loose and propel itself into me. So avoid it if you can, but if you can't wear some thick clothing (more than a t-shirt) and some goggles! :)

Once I finished cleaning the pickups with the top wire brush they looked perfect. Oh and make sure you've removed any filings left over afterwards, the magnet will hold onto it and you increase the chance of them shorting out when you power it up. So either use some compressed air or go over them with a cloth or brush and make sure nothing is left on them.

Hope this helps!

T



Awesome thanks T - I'll look into that Dremel brush for the job  8)
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: shmuelyosef on February 23, 2010, 11:15:01 PM
These guys sell all the hardware in black or chrome:

http://www.mojotone.com/amp-parts/Corners/Mojotone-Black-3-Leg-Corners-No-Lip-Set-of-4-with-Screws
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Spaceduck on March 10, 2010, 08:45:54 AM
Great thread!! The information & especially the pics are really inspiring.

It's been almost a month since I started re-tolexing, and all I've got done is the lid  :(  I ended up spending weeks trying to glue the cracks, fill the chips & straighten the warped wood. It probably would've been quicker if I had just rebuilt the whole chassis from scratch, but I'm glad I stuck with the original stuff for the sake of keeping it authentic. The tips here & in the other thread about tolex were really helpful, and I haven't made any mistakes so far.

Now I have some questions about paint & hardware...

Drcarver, that's a great job you did painting the plastic cover. It looks like you got the "leather" effect on the gold top. I remember an old thread where someone mentioned using a hair dryer somehow. Is that how you did it?

Hardware: I also tried painting my hardware (silver), but the paint keeps peeling off. Would a clearcoat help? What other options do I have? Since I don't have the budget to get it chromed, I was thinking I might try removing all the paint, then sanding & polishing the hardware with this Ryobi compound I got at Home Depot for $3. Has anyone tried that?
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: drcarver on March 10, 2010, 09:37:05 AM
For the lid, I just gave it a light sanding and painted.  The plastic has the "leather" look to it, so when you paint over it, the paint will take on the same shape.  I did 2 coats of primer, 4 coats of color, and 2 coats of clear.  I used a fairly expensive automotive paint from a company called Alsa, and am wondering if I could have gotten the same results with krylon for the color.  The clear was a 2-part formula that hardened quickly and really turned out nice.

I also painted my hardware, and it is flaking off just a little, but not really that noticable.  I sprayed the gold, let it cure for a week, then sprayed a clear laquer and let that cure for a week.  It is pretty strong, and definitely cheaper than a chrome shop.  For some reason though, the varnish took a little bit of the shininess out of the gold paint, but it doesn't look that bad.  For the hardware, I used krylon products.
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: solyaris on May 25, 2010, 08:01:03 AM
My restoration work-in progress photos:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2042940&id=1169037408&l=e46cea71c5

sorry for story report in Italian there.

giorgio
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on May 25, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Wow what's going on with that tine in the last image!!

The piano looks fantastic from the outside, that will be a fun restoration. Oh and before you throw away the broken tine generator keep it so that you can set the escapement (matches the specifications perfectly)

I can't wait to see photos of it when all the rust has been removed etc.

Tim
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Spaceduck on May 25, 2010, 11:19:07 AM
Hey cool, I'm glad this thread has been bumped up. I need some inspiration!

solyaris, that's how the inside of mine looks. Everything's there intact, but there's a lot of cleaning to do. The outside looks great in those 2 pictures. Did you do that yourself?

My Rhodes has been sitting on the dining room table since the last time I posted in March. The new tolex looks great, top & bottom, but now I need to do something about the hardware and I'm dragging my heels.
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: solyaris on May 26, 2010, 02:27:17 AM
Hi all

Quote from: "Spaceduck"

that's how the inside of mine looks. Everything's there intact, but there's a lot of cleaning to do. The outside looks great in those 2 pictures. Did you do that yourself?


* honestly, is my new camera and a lucky light that generated this apparently perfect oustide ... indeed the piano is not clean at all also outside.

* inside, is a disaster, only one tine broke but 11 pick-ups dead, and a lot of rust everywhere and main electrical cable to be re-done...

* Surprisingly the mechanic of keyboard have been repaired successfull in few hours! I followed suggestion by a vintagevibe.com video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU4E7osDm6M&feature=related

* Yes I decided to do myself the reparation, because I'm in Italy, and here is difficult and expensive to find someone that have competences to rapair, so I decided to skill myself ... and I'm not a keyboard player ...

* The sad  thank about this 1979 mark I is how stupidly have been keep ...
probably in a basement or anyway in a humid place, not working for years...
I know the piano have been played mainly in a Rehearsal studio...
it was usual in Italy in pop-rock-jazz rehearsal studios in '80s to have a rhodes as (almost) only keyboard in the studio ... and the players wa all sort of people...

Also it seem to me that the instrument have been repaired ... in superficial way ... probably for tines substitution, but without knowledge and with superficiality ... by example I found two tone-bar inverted! ... how that's possible ?! you can see with a trivial visual inspection that one tonebar is longer that another ... :-(

Anyway I'm confident to restore soon or late this magical sound-maker;

now I need parts ...
* a part tines and pick-ups, that's annoying that I lack 4 legs :-(

BTW. could someone give me the lenght of original legs (closed) ??? thanks!
I think I ask a lathe turner to build this in a simpler form (no telescopic).

* Luckly I have the sustain pedal! brocken but I guess I could repair it.
BTW, I'm a ambient music composer ( http://solyaris.altervista.org ) and I'd love to realize open-sustain chords / clusters... :-)

* Another problem I now have is a strange static noise ... with a sort of "pick envelope" ...?! ... I fair this is due to the many dead pick-ups ...
I saw somewere that damper rail have been grounded ... maybe a compelete grounding wire will help ?

* Last but not least, tuning is not so trivial ... I used a guitar electronic tuner and do some regulations moving springs ... it happen that some notes appear    slightly out-of-tune and a small spring regulation rebring in tune the note, BUT for certain notes, the tuning is very instable ... probably a bad tine oscillation ? ... I'll investigate.

* Probably the vintagetube suggestion to substitute all grommets is right for the correct vibration of tine/tonebar .. I guess I'll do this.

* About escapement, probably this is one of last point to verify because all before must run corrctly to do the right voicing regulation.

All suggestion is welcome! :-)
thanks
giorgio
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Spaceduck on May 28, 2010, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: "solyaris"

I know the piano have been played mainly in a Rehearsal studio...
it was usual in Italy in pop-rock-jazz rehearsal studios in '80s to have a rhodes as (almost) only keyboard in the studio ... and the players wa all sort of people...


I grew up playing one of those rehearsal Rhodes in highschool. It was awful how we (myself included) abused that thing. This was in the 80s when all I wanted was a Yamaha DX7  :roll:

Quote from: "solyaris"

BTW. could someone give me the lenght of original legs (closed) ??? thanks!
I think I ask a lathe turner to build this in a simpler form (no telescopic).


I happen to have my Stage legs and a measuring tape right here. The rear legs are about 27" (68.5cm) including the 1/2" thread at the top. The front leg is slightly longer, about 27.5" (69cm) with the telescoping part pushed in as far as possible (see pic).

Back leg is 4 octaves, C# to D
Front leg is 4 octaves, C# to D#
 :)
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/register_THIS/DSCI0087_800.jpg)


Quote from: "solyaris"
* Another problem I now have is a strange static noise ... with a sort of "pick envelope" ...?! ... I fair this is due to the many dead pick-ups ...
I saw somewere that damper rail have been grounded ... maybe a compelete grounding wire will help ?


I had that problem, too. I tightened the grounding screws at both ends of the black wire & re-soldered the red wire at the jack (on the harp), and that fixed it. I'm not good with electronics, so I can't suggest anything if it's a dead pickup. Maybe you'll be lucky, and it will be easy to fix like mine was.

Good luck with the rest of it! Maybe someone else can give more advice.
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: solyaris on May 29, 2010, 04:00:26 AM
Hi Spaceduck, thanks a lot for your help.

Quote from: "Spaceduck"

I grew up playing one of those rehearsal Rhodes in highschool. It was awful how we (myself included) abused that thing. This was in the 80s when all I wanted was a Yamaha DX7  :roll:


[OT] more than ten years ago... I have been a DX7II "programmer" ...  ( http://solyaris.altervista.org/dx7.htm ), and this is the ONLY ONE digital synth I kept during years... that's pheraps because this synth, even if digital, possess some "analogic" mistery as many electrical instruments possess ... :)

Quote from: "Spaceduck"

I happen to have my Stage legs and a measuring tape right here. The rear legs are about 27" (68.5cm) including the 1/2" thread at the top. The front leg is slightly longer, about 27.5" (69cm) with the telescoping part pushed in as far as possible (see pic).

Back leg is 4 octaves, C# to D
Front leg is 4 octaves, C# to D#
 :)
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g261/register_THIS/DSCI0087_800.jpg)


very kind of you for detailed info! :)
and congratulation for the unit of measurement in octaves! :o

just a last question if I'm not too boring: whit the legs mounted on the piano, what is the lenght (approximately, in cm)  between the floor and the piano bottom layer (the flange), with with the telescoping part pushed in as far as possible  as in your pic ?

Quote from: "Spaceduck"

Quote from: "solyaris"
* Another problem I now have is a strange static noise ... with a sort of "pick envelope" ...?! ... I fair this is due to the many dead pick-ups ...
I saw somewere that damper rail have been grounded ... maybe a compelete grounding wire will help ?


I had that problem, too. I tightened the grounding screws at both ends of the black wire & re-soldered the red wire at the jack (on the harp), and that fixed it.


yes, I just ordered used pick-ups to replace the 12 deads... hoping that  with all pick-ups working, these strange noise effect (probably due to some impedence result) will go out.  Me too yesterday I thought about replace the long ground  black wire :idea:

giorgio
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on May 29, 2010, 06:17:41 AM
Quote from: "solyaris"


* Another problem I now have is a strange static noise ... with a sort of "pick envelope" ...?! ... I fair this is due to the many dead pick-ups ...
I saw somewere that damper rail have been grounded ... maybe a compelete grounding wire will help ?

* Last but not least, tuning is not so trivial ... I used a guitar electronic tuner and do some regulations moving springs ... it happen that some notes appear    slightly out-of-tune and a small spring regulation rebring in tune the note, BUT for certain notes, the tuning is very instable ... probably a bad tine oscillation ? ... I'll investigate.

* Probably the vintagetube suggestion to substitute all grommets is right for the correct vibration of tine/tonebar .. I guess I'll do this.

giorgio


Hi Giorgio

Just to clarify is the damper bar grounded? best thing to do is to power up the Rhodes listen for the static then touch the damper bar with your hand, if the sound disappears then it's a grounding problem with the bar. It won't be too much of an issue if it isn't that so we'll get it sorted soon.

Secondly about the tine tuning, you'll find that on the extremes of the piano i.e the bass and the treble the tines are quite difficult to tune (even when the grommets are replaced) it just takes a lot of time and patience to get that sorted :-)

All the best!

Tim
Title: Restoration Thread
Post by: solyaris on May 29, 2010, 07:15:50 AM
Quote from: "tjh392"

Hi Giorgio

Just to clarify is the damper bar grounded?


Hi Tim,
no, I mean not with a wire as in the photo I attached.


Quote
best thing to do is to power up the Rhodes listen for the static then touch the damper bar with your hand, if the sound disappears then it's a grounding problem with the bar.


you are right :), I'do the test!

Quote
Secondly about the tine tuning, you'll find that on the extremes of the piano i.e the bass and the treble the tines are quite difficult to tune (even when the grommets are replaced) it just takes a lot of time and patience to get that sorted :-)


Yes, I realized that on trebles ... generally speaking the tuning is not so easy as many people state ... or maybe it depend by my piano very bad conditions ... anyway Iìll going in deep with voicing in a secon step

thanks
giorgio
Title: Re: Restoration Thread
Post by: Tim Hodges on February 03, 2011, 06:43:46 AM
I decided to bring back this thread, I was curious to know how did spaceduck and solyaris get on with their restorations? I'll start adding in mine on Sunday.

T
Title: Re: Restoration Thread
Post by: solyaris on February 03, 2011, 11:49:11 AM
I decided to bring back this thread, I was curious to know how did spaceduck and solyaris get on with their restorations? I'll start adding in mine on Sunday.

T

Hello

in facts I finished fase II restauration of my stage piano!
At the moment I'm satisfied by the result! generally every one of 73 notes sound pretty well now.

Here a two days ago sound check:
http://solyaris4.altervista.org/dumpeddelay.mp3

here two tracks of rhodes, passed on Digitech TSR24 5 sec delay patch...
please note I'm note a pianist, just a big lover of rhodes hypnotic sound ... possibly matching my music view ( http://solyaris.altervista.org ).

I retain it sound great!...Yes ...
1- some problems of lack of sustain on upper octaves ... (indeed lower octaves are amazing!)
2- and some problems here and there on the middle octaves where some very "hitted" seem to be affected of what I have see descibed as "exausted" tines syndrom ... possibly I'll detail this "minor" problem here in future.
3- Minor tuning difficulties especially on the two upper octave...
 
 
Even if I confess restauration have been hard. I do all by myself and I'm neither a pianist, neither a rhodes expert ...
and I thank you VINTAGEVIBE Video and all helped me here in this forum!!

Thanks to all!
giorgio
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: FantomXR on June 16, 2011, 10:45:16 AM
Hey folks,

the last weekend I tolexed a rhodes for a customer. Look at the pictures.
It's not real Tweed. It's just Tweed-Vinyl but it looks cool I think. Also it has new hardware, new hammertips and new damperfelts.

Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on June 17, 2011, 02:24:00 AM
Nice work! it's a definite improvement, the tweed looks awesome. I'm currently re-tolexing a late MK1 which somebody had attempted to do earlier. Instead of using tolex they used something similar which has the thickness and tear-ability of paper. It's was also attached to the case using superglue making it very very difficult to take off! I'm going to have to sand it off as I can't peel any more off.

T
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Cormac Long on June 17, 2011, 06:17:45 AM
The more and more I see these funky tolex finishes, the more I want to do something like that myself! They really give the piano a different character while still keeping its classy appearance.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: FantomXR on June 17, 2011, 07:07:32 AM
I will soon "upholster" another rhodes, Mark II 1981 88 with Suitcasepreamp. I will use felt. Nearly like the guy, who upholster his rhodes with ozite, you can google it :)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: FantomXR on June 29, 2011, 03:15:15 PM
getting started...

here are a few (bad) pictures. I will finish the piano hopefully in the weekend.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: The Real MC on June 29, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Not a fan of upholster covering.  It turns into rat fuzz.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: David Aubke on August 19, 2011, 12:33:59 PM
Hi. Brand new to the forum.

I've started restoring an '81 (I think) 73 and hope to continue bringing other neglected pianos back to life.

http://www.shadetreekeys.com
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: oliisfullysick on September 21, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
Heres my first restoration, a rust filled 54
http://ep-forum.com/smf/index.php?topic=5933.0

and heres the one im working on atm, a mark1 73
http://ep-forum.com/smf/index.php?topic=6337.0

next is a wurly 206 chop :)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: solyaris on September 22, 2011, 03:56:47 AM
Hi. Brand new to the forum.

I've started restoring an '81 (I think) 73 and hope to continue bringing other neglected pianos back to life.

http://www.shadetreekeys.com

Very Well Done Rhodes Info Blog!
thanks/giorgio
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: David Aubke on September 23, 2011, 04:52:51 PM
Very Well Done Rhodes Info Blog!
thanks/giorgio

Thank you.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on September 26, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
This is a restoration I'm doing for a customer:

It seemed the owner before them had removed the tolex and re-covered it using some sort of paper thin covering. They then superglued it to the case making it absolutely impossible to get off via normal methods:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6152/6187172234_b929514cff_z.jpg)

After a good bash with the hot air gun and the belt sander it started to come out like this:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6152/6187174978_e7aaa4c24f_z.jpg)

Now it looks like this:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6187105162_d3583fb630_z.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6172/6187108520_a3fcae2d68_z.jpg)

Just waiting on the metal platers to bring back the tonebars, tines, flanges, preamp case (satellite stage) for the next step to begin.

T
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: oliisfullysick on November 23, 2011, 08:35:36 AM
Not a rhodes, but just got given this hammond l100 tonewheel organ, sounds great but the finish was a little worse for wear. So finished it off in red, cant see it in the pics but the grain shows through and looks great.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x217/oliisfullysick/P1030482.jpg)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x217/oliisfullysick/317141_10150472241680931_645835930_10983045_752975717_n.jpg)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x217/oliisfullysick/389414_10150472242040931_645835930_10983048_474369401_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on November 23, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
Reminds me of this C3.

(http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/1916/cover_3559102462009.jpg)

Nice work!
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: chava on December 13, 2011, 09:39:30 PM
Hey all!

I've been away from the forum for a while, since I finished up (mostly) with my '77 Stage 73. But a couple of weeks ago I picked up a '74 Suitcase 73 off Craigslist. The case is pretty beat up, but under the hood it's in surprisingly good shape. The hammer tips have been replaced at least once, but I think the tines are original. They don't look like they've been cut with hand tools, and even better, they don't wobble a bit :D. The damper felts are all bent up, and of course the grommets are squashed paper thin, but none of the metal is corroded.

The 4-pin cable had broken connections on the amp end, and was just a mess of old solder. I had to try it out using the 1/4" jacks. This meant I couldn't try out the preamp, but the fellow mentioned in his CL ad that the vibrato didn't work. I got it home and soldered the broken connections, and sure enough, the vibrato didn't work. I found several threads here that were similar to my situation, but none exactly matched my symptoms.
When I switch the vibrato on with the intensity all the way down, nothing happens. When I turn the intensity up, the volume falls off to nothing. I opened the housing and can see no light from under the little hoods, whether the vibrato is on or off. I ordered new lamps and took the unit to an amp repair shop today. They'll change the lamps and evaluate it for a cap job, and anything else it might need. I chatted with the owner for a bit, and though he's never worked on any Rhodes gear, he's more than familiar with early '70's Fender electronics. I think he'll get it up and running, no problem.

I've also ordered a grommet kit, damper felts and an amp-end connector from VV. Until they get here I'll clean what I can and tweak the few balance rail pins that are slightly askew.
I'm going to go all out with this piano. The next big purchase will be new tolex and hardware, and eventually I'm going to have the keys recapped. The white keys, anyway. The harp cover has a few scratches, but I'm going to leave it alone, unless I decide on a color scheme other than black and black.
I'm on the fence about the hammer tips. I changed them on my Stage, and although they were deeply grooved and really needed it, I didn't like the change in timbre. The new ones were too soft, and it was really tough to smooth out the transitions in tip hardness.

So that's the news for now. I've just posted a couple of pics, since everyone knows what a beat-up Rhodes looks like.
It's good to be hanging around here again. I really didn't need to bring another Rhodes home, but I just had the itch to tinker.  And it seems like Suitcase pianos are harder to come by, so it would just be foolish not to pick it up ;D
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Ben Bove on December 15, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
I can almost guarantee that when you replace the bulbs the vibrato will be up and running.  No lights at all from the 2 "hoods" in the preamp means almost definitely they're blown.

The intensity knob only mixes in standard non-vibrato signal.  So with the intensity all the way up, you'll have no signal.  With the intensity all the way to 0, you will hear a good amount of straight signal that is supposed to accompany the panning channels.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: chava on December 18, 2011, 10:18:07 AM
Right on, good to have my suspicions confirmed. It'll probably be another week until I hear from the shop. What do you think the odds are that it'll need a cap job? The rest of the preamp works, although with the bad grommets I couldn't really tell if it could/should sound better. (Well, I always think it could sound better ;) ...)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: The Real MC on January 08, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
Sparkletop restoration (with pics)

http://www.analoguediehard.com/studio/keyboards/fender_rhodes/index.html#restoration (http://wwwanaloguediehard.com/studio/keyboards/fender_rhodes/index.html#restoration)
Title: Sorry for the massive pictures...
Post by: Tim Hodges on June 01, 2012, 06:50:46 AM
Here's another restoration I'm in the middle of:

From:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/Jon%20Greening%20-%20Rhodes%20MK1%2073/DSCF4254.jpg)

To:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7231/7313822030_dbf5dd857d_c.jpg)

From:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/Jon%20Greening%20-%20Rhodes%20MK1%2073/DSCF4261.jpg)

To:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/7313821830_f068cb68c5_c.jpg)

From:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/Jon%20Greening%20-%20Rhodes%20MK1%2073/DSCF4253.jpg)

To:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7313821496_d36999c41b_c.jpg)

From:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f243/tjh392/Jon%20Greening%20-%20Rhodes%20MK1%2073/DSCF4248.jpg)

To:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/7313821064_8d90fe371e_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Ben Bove on June 01, 2012, 11:02:31 AM
Fantastic work!
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on June 01, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
Thanks Ben! :)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Rhodesman73 on August 08, 2012, 11:56:27 AM
I have a 1977 Suitcase 73 that I've just finished restoring...or at least to 95% of new.  Here are some pics of the bottom.  B4 and after.  All new vinyl and grill cloth.  The electronics brought up to full working order, I redid the speaker mounting so that if you blew a speaker on the front baffle, you wouldn't have to worry about having to take the grill cloth off if the bolt stripped out of the baffle board.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on August 08, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
Superb work Rhodesman, it looks new!!
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Rhodesman73 on August 08, 2012, 07:38:25 PM
Superb work Rhodesman, it looks new!!
Thank you.  I hope to post some pics of the top soon.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Rhodesman73 on August 09, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Here are some before and after pics of the keyboard section.  1977 Suitcase 73
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: musomarc on August 09, 2012, 04:54:15 PM
Hi,
Great work on the Suitcase rhodes.
Can you show me a pic of the bottom keyboard part and how it fits/sits onto the base amp/speaker?
I've always wondered how they fit or lock in place.A friend has one and the sustain pedal dosen't seem to lock into the top and I've suggested to him it needs realigning with the two sections.
Keep on Rhodes :)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on August 10, 2012, 03:13:31 AM
Hi,
Great work on the Suitcase rhodes.
Can you show me a pic of the bottom keyboard part and how it fits/sits onto the base amp/speaker?
I've always wondered how they fit or lock in place.A friend has one and the sustain pedal dosen't seem to lock into the top and I've suggested to him it needs realigning with the two sections.
Keep on Rhodes :)

On the top of the suitcase amp there are 2 small cups which match up to two glides on the underside of the piano.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: vanceinatlance on January 12, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Greetings,

Before I start, I just wanted to state that I have great respect for this forum and the people who have contributed to it's wealth of information. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I can only imagine how many of these instruments have been saved because of this site. This is my first post, so I hope I am placing this in the right area.

I am currently trying to bring back to life what I believe is a 1978 Mark I suitcase 73 (1083 stamped on board with tines) . It was sold to me as a parts unit, but most everything is here and in what I would consider pretty good shape. Oh, yeah, that amp didn't make any sound on power up, and the preamp is missing the 5 pin connector entirely and of course the 5pin cable is mia. Opening up the preamp revealed a radiosh*** metal screw driver, penny, and odd piece of metal wire floating around inside. I have heard of many revisions of the preamp, but I don't believe these items were part of the overall plan. The power amp had a very tarnished headphone jack. I cleaned up the headphone jack and its contacts with some inox and I was suddenly able to get sound from the aux inputs!  One channel is nice and clear and the other channel is distorted. I ,of course, played it to death with the distorted sound until I was finally craving a clean sound. This is where my questions come in.
I am seeking information on what type of non polarized capacitors people are using for the audio amps mainly the 1uf (c2) and 5uf (c1) and some good suggestions on where they can be purchased, possibly, reasonably priced.
My next question is where can I find a 5pin receptical for the preamp. I see the cords everywhere in the $60 range, but never the receptical.
Thanks,
Vance
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: guvech on April 03, 2013, 02:01:24 PM

There is my restoration work on 1976 MKI . There is still some work on the hardwear. Some corners and legs, but the most important thing is that I already have sound. And it's pretty good.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: guvech on April 04, 2013, 05:19:43 AM
some more:
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: guvech on April 04, 2013, 05:21:51 AM
and some more :)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: guvech on April 04, 2013, 05:27:46 AM
the final look of my corner  ;)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Adam@Sealekeyworks on April 04, 2013, 09:49:31 AM
Great Work Y'all!

Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: guvech on June 03, 2013, 02:17:04 PM
nickel-replated legs
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 10:17:26 AM
Pics of Peterson restoration (in progress).  I drilled holes in the pwb for the new cap leads and stabilized the caps with hot glue.  Replaced AC input with a modern appliance-style input (and a snazzy custom-machined adaptor plate!).  LED is tied to +25V.  All new power transistors on power blocks.  Still need to hook up a new 4 pin connector and balance the output amplitudes.  Power and audio test ok, very little ripple on the power rails.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130918_200444.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130918_200428.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130917_183854.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130917_183835.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130907_134543.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130907_134536.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 10:21:13 AM
'75 88 Satellite I restored a while back.  Original Tolex and hammer tips.  VV stereo preamp, all new felts, grommets, chrome hardware, backchecks, miracle mod, and cheek block power supply.  Wonderful piano.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130825_133314.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/20130825_125711.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 01:33:01 PM
These are custom-machined folding legs I built for my first restoration, a '78 suitcase.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20111124_145806.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20111124_150755.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20111127_191657.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20111124_145629.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
A couple more pics - with the legs secured to the cabinet.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20111214_210749.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20111214_210637.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 01:37:34 PM
My first restoration - '78 Suitcase (finished)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20120407_155745.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
Before and after polishing damper pedal cover plate.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20120128_184234.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20120219_171311.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
'77 Stage I restored for a friend.  All new felt, chrome, rubber, Tolex, and hardware.  He didn't have $ to spring for a new top, so he painted his old top.  It was in really tough shape when he brough it in.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20130302_234920.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20130302_234858.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20130302_234719.jpg)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg197/Insectoid_Control/IMG_20130302_234652.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: David Aubke on October 04, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
I'm envious of folks who know how to repair electronics. Maybe one day I'll pursue that more.

I love the aluminum legs.

What's the scoop on the Stage's harp cover? Is that one of Ken Rich's Starfields (http://kenrichsounds.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30)?
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 03:27:24 PM
What's the scoop on the Stage's harp cover? Is that one of Ken Rich's Starfields (http://kenrichsounds.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30)?

The owner did the harp cover himself.  Sparkle spray paint and several coats of aerosol clear coat.  He got pretty good results, considering the low budget/low tech approach. 
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: voltergeist on October 04, 2013, 03:35:17 PM
Nowhere near the high-gloss glory of a Starfield, though.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: ClariRhodes on February 11, 2015, 04:35:41 AM
Hello !
My June 1978 MKI restauration  :)

Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on March 02, 2015, 09:56:53 AM
Here's my latest completion with before and after photos https://flic.kr/s/aHsjwb5HXD the Rhodes was completely rusted up.

Before:

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8568/16693839275_c9558d32dd_z.jpg)

After:

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8607/16667896296_72a8cfc848_z.jpg)


It's a 1977 Rhodes Stage Piano 73 Key which was in a terrible state. Everything was taken apart and rebuilt from the ground up. Case was re-tolexed, tines and tone bars re-plated, missing parts sourced, previous mods fixed. Now I'm in the midst of fixing up 2 more satellite amps (I'll update once more when they're completed)

Tim
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Tim Hodges on September 22, 2015, 02:07:13 AM
Next restoration I've been given is a 1974/75 ish 88 Key Mark 1. I've yet to date it as the stamp has disappeared off the harp but as I take it apart I'll find it.

Some one had modified it for gigs with all this additional metal framework, I'll be returning it back to it's former glory.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/767/20995920944_02a5da25e9_z.jpg)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5656/21431796749_3b37272f4e_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: cinnanon on September 22, 2015, 10:51:35 PM
Didn't see any pictures of wurlitzers in here. Currently working on this one. It has come a long way. Currently building the sustain pedal and it will be painted like the rest of the wurlitzer. Still need to cut out a music rack (traced) and some music rack brass hinges (Wire EDM).
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: goldphinga on September 23, 2015, 05:27:37 PM
Next restoration I've been given is a 1974/75 ish 88 Key Mark 1. I've yet to date it as the stamp has disappeared off the harp but as I take it apart I'll find it.

Some one had modified it for gigs with all this additional metal framework, I'll be returning it back to it's former glory.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/767/20995920944_02a5da25e9_z.jpg)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5656/21431796749_3b37272f4e_z.jpg)

Now I did something similar to mine, except I ditched the old ply case completely, built a new one from common flightcase materials and saved almost 30lbs.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - Show us Pics of your work!
Post by: Ben Bove on September 28, 2015, 05:29:29 PM
Next restoration I've been given is a 1974/75 ish 88 Key Mark 1. I've yet to date it as the stamp has disappeared off the harp but as I take it apart I'll find it.


Good eye ball on dating it, if the date stamp is missing, it's a 1974.  The blue ink they used can get wiped off if someone tried to clean inside the piano.  If you get up really close to the top right corner of the wood on the harp and look from a couple different angles and lighting, you may see the remnants of a 74 date.
Title: Re: Restoration Thread - 1977 73, Janus vibrato preamp, previously a suitcase
Post by: PadThai on November 16, 2015, 09:33:07 PM
Love me a good project to get some quality time in my shop...especially when it is working on something musical...and seems to be going well 👍🏼

1-Case disassembled and cleaned out (no more acorns or mold ) 😁
2-Harp (tines and tone bars) disassembled, cleaned, reassembled and reinstalled)
3-preamp tested and working well
(Pots feel good, virbrato working well)
4-replacement cheek block and power supply installed
5-pick ups tested, only 1 is bad and is to be replaced 😊
6-key heights checked
7-action (stickiness) checked
8-dampers removed and ready for felt replacements

Still a ways to go, but was fun being able to plug it in and start to hear it take acoustical form 🎹🎶

Tried to upload pics...but jpeg apparently isn't allowed by this forum...
Will try to load them tomorrow