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Title: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 04, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
Or is it? 

First, the full-frontal:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/Rhodes_zpsf82dc7e3.jpg)


Googling "Fender Rhodes Executone" turns up few results, most of which point here.  However, the Dallas Rhodes Museum page shows this photo:


(http://www.iamjeffjack.com/sandbox/drm/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-Photo-1.jpg)


And helpful ep-forum member Dzdpgtehu posted a link to this photo:


(http://fenderrhodes.com/img/gallery/executone/executone-front.jpg)


"Holy crap!  This newbie has an Executone!  Damn him!"

Not so fast.  If you look carefully you'll see that none of these are identical.  No tape deck in the above rig or mine, where there is one in the 72 Dallas find.  No biggie there;  could have been removed or added at any point.  The main differences are that my rig has the preamp offset several inches to the right, compared to the location on the other two Executones.  While the faceplate has not been modified on mine in any way the cover has been (rather crudely) cut to fit.


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/CutFace_zps51059f2b.jpg)


The indent for the logo is normal, but there's another hack-job to accommodate the jacks and switch on the right.  Speaking of them:  the switch is to toggle an external cab on/off.  This is quite helpful if you are an absolute masochist and want to destroy the world through Rhodes overdosing.  Or just want to point a cab at an audience.  (If you switch the external cab on while none is present, the onboard speakers still lose half their power.  Weird.) 

Speaking of weird, the left jack is wired up but I can't figure out what it does.  The right jack is not hooked up to anything, and doesn't even fit a standard 1/4" cable.   So yeah, weird. 

And the weirdness continues:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/IMG_6500_zps0556cb43.jpg)


Fits the year mentioned in the Dallas page.  I do wonder about the ring with what looks kinda like a 1 in it.  Haven't seen that in any pictures of other date stamps.  The little doohickey next to it is increasingly weird as well, but more on that at a later date.


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/IMG_6499_zps01cea2d6.jpg)


Home pianos didn't technically seem to hit the market til 76 or so, according to a thread on them here.  Also the serial numbers were in the 6xx,xxx and 7xx,xxx range.  And the weird-train keeps a rollin' with the blank AMP section.  No amp, huh?


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/Amp_zps10c85e09.jpg)


Weird.  More to come...






Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on June 05, 2013, 04:21:13 AM
Prototype?
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Dzdpgtehu on June 05, 2013, 09:16:21 AM
I think its a student model with biuld in Fender Twin reverb silverface!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Opie on June 05, 2013, 12:55:06 PM
 Very, very cool! Kinda looks like the 2nd channel of a Silverface Vibrolux Reverb amp. Nice find !!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: vanceinatlance on June 05, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
That is a very cool unitt! I have a similar student model, but there is only one pedal for sustain. The amp is located under the left side of the keys  just right for destroying your knee. The rail preamp on your unit looks really slick.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: AFeastOfFriends on June 05, 2013, 03:39:23 PM
I agree with Opie and Dzdpgtehu, it looks like somebody has installed a Fender silverface era amp in a student Rhodes. That silver rail bar's controls go in the same order as all the 2nd channels of amps from that time that were derived from the Twin Reverb. Then the amp inside has the pedal inputs for the footswitch even.

But then the label inside says "Home" on the model, so perhaps it is a prototype built by Fender. Very strange.

Either way, fantastic find, and thanks for sharing it with us to scratch our heads over.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: vanceinatlance on June 05, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Here are some pics of my fr-7055 student for your comparison. I took one of the lower front where there is the amp and a shelf on the student model. Mine is missing the original tape recorder on the right unfortunately. The amp label is also blank on my sticker. There appears to be an aux out tapped from the upper most tine of the student as well, maybe for the tape recorder.  I was curious what kind of hammers, tines etc. were on your piano.  Are there felt hammers, square tone bars etc.. ? I am definitely jealous of the tube amp, must sound amazing. Anyways, hope the pics help.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 05, 2013, 08:44:48 PM
(http://ep-forum.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7705.0;attach=1766;image)


Thanks for this post;  very helpful.  This pic is the first one I've seen with that same attachment, and is exactly where mine is.  Mine has a black cable that snakes down to the gap and terminates in a mono male 1/8" cable, so your are probably right about it being for recording onto tape.  But where is your date stamp?  I thought they were all stamped in the upper right corner like mine is. 

Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 05, 2013, 08:52:15 PM
I agree with Opie and Dzdpgtehu, it looks like somebody has installed a Fender silverface era amp in a student Rhodes. That silver rail bar's controls go in the same order as all the 2nd channels of amps from that time that were derived from the Twin Reverb. Then the amp inside has the pedal inputs for the footswitch even.

But then the label inside says "Home" on the model, so perhaps it is a prototype built by Fender. Very strange.

Either way, fantastic find, and thanks for sharing it with us to scratch our heads over.

The overall structure and piano are certainly the same as the student piano, and the later Home edition, but in addition to the eq section and model indicated on the label, mine has all three pedals.  Left Reverb, middle sustain, and right Tremolo.  Also I took one of the speakers out earlier;  I have no reason to suspect this is an aftermarket customization. 

You're the third person to mention the possibility of it being a prototype.  It IS a really odd configuration, and I can see why it never went into production. 
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: vanceinatlance on June 06, 2013, 11:23:22 AM
The only stamp I could find on mine is on the harp support below the harp to the right.  I too think this must have  been a prototype.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 06, 2013, 08:07:35 PM
The only stamp I could find on mine is on the harp support below the harp to the right.  I too think this must have  been a prototype.

Weird.  All the pics I've seen of various models have date stamps on the top and are very visible.  Feel free to post more pics of yours, btw.  In and out.  There is a paucity of inner photos of home and student models, for the most part.  Especially Executones.  There is at least one Executone owner on this site, but no mention from them yet.

Here's an interior shot:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/Innards_zps816a7764.jpg)


I can say with 99% certainty this is NOT an aftermarket mod-job. 

More pics to come.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 09, 2013, 02:50:40 PM
Here are some pics of my fr-7055 student for your comparison. I took one of the lower front where there is the amp and a shelf on the student model. Mine is missing the original tape recorder on the right unfortunately. The amp label is also blank on my sticker. There appears to be an aux out tapped from the upper most tine of the student as well, maybe for the tape recorder.  I was curious what kind of hammers, tines etc. were on your piano.  Are there felt hammers, square tone bars etc.. ? I am definitely jealous of the tube amp, must sound amazing. Anyways, hope the pics help.


As far as I can gather it's a standard 73, aux out notwithstanding.  Here's a shot of the keybed:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/keybed_zps4b352454.jpg)


As far as the sound, dear God!  Way too loud for any practical use if you crank it.  It'll even feedback without being played if you really crank it.  Totally senseless. 

Here's something else I found inside:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/stamp_zpsc603ae97.jpg)


I'm curious if your Student piano has a stamp like this on the inside.  No clue what it means.

Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Ben Bove on June 10, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
Great photos!

That student model probably doesn't have a date code on upper right hand corner of harp, because it's before 1971 production date.  By the model on the badge FR-7055, they referred to pianos by model number instead of name like "Home" or "suitcase" up until maybe 1970 or 1971 not sure off hand.

If he were to unscrew the harp and flip it upside down, he may see an 1970 date code.  I'm not sure if they were stamping there in 69.

119636 is most likely a Fender part number.  Just like the harp stamp on a 1971 piano would be 110254 - 6 digit starting with 1.  There is also a stamp on the underside of my Home model's bench, that is a 6-digit number starting with 1 or 0 (I forget).

That pedal configuration in the bottom of the cabinet is wild.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Rob A on June 10, 2013, 09:47:10 PM
my Home model's bench,

And where are you hiding the pics of this?
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 11, 2013, 12:29:18 AM
Aux cab on/off switch and jacks of mystery:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/Switch_zpsf4d114c5.jpg)


Namerail and holes:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/Plate_zps0ee34902.jpg)


And the money shot:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/HolyShit_zps90f31c06.jpg)


It's partially taken apart at present in order to have an amp tech give the amp and pots a once-over.  When it's all back up and flying I'll get video and audio at the studio. 

Oh yes.  For the first time ever, an Executone* in action.  HD, no less.

*or is it?


Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: vanceinatlance on June 11, 2013, 01:30:21 AM
Those pictures of the inside of the cabinet are insane! I can't believe how much is going on in there. Can't wait for the video!! The two 1/4" jacks and switch on the right look kind of like someone added those later?

Thought I would mention my scenario with the power cables on my unit since I saw lots of power cable going on in your pictures. Hopefully yours doesn't have this issue, but it is worth checking out just in case. My piano had burn marks in the foam in some places where the power cable was resting. The power cables were badly deteriorated and extremely cracked. I replaced the cables immediately when I noticed the marks inside.

I looked under the harp of the fr7055 after reading bjammers post, but it was also blank. There are a few stamps on the keys, but I don't know if they have any useful meaning. There appears to be an aux out in the back, but I am suspicious that this might have been added after it left the Rhodes factory (Made from a light fixture bracket?).
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Ben Bove on June 11, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
Well sorry you didn't find a date.  You may have already dated it prior but figured I'd also recap for you, with the silver tonebars and 2nd generation twist in the bass (the straight single silver twist was 1969 before they noticed tines colliding with tonebars in bass register), and the felt cube tips it's definitely a 1970, so my guess would be an early-ish 1970 but very difficult to give an exact time.  The date on the harp would have been similar to this:

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/bjammerz/craigslist/IMG_1047_zps54048d88.jpg)

my Home model's bench,

And where are you hiding the pics of this?

Well, I'll get around to it :).  It's currently tucked in back in the garage with the amp non-functioning, so it's a project to tackle at some later date.  I thought it was funny there was a part number for a piano bench but of couse, makes perfect sense.  Big part.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: vanceinatlance on June 11, 2013, 12:50:01 PM
I should have stated that I had replaced the tonebars with VV tone bars. Here is a pic of the original ones. Thanks for the information. The only thing that resembles a date so far to me is the green wooden harp support stamp "0721".
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: The Real MC on June 11, 2013, 01:27:40 PM
When all else fails, the pots - volume and tone - should have a datecode.  I don't remember the secret handshake.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Ben Bove on June 11, 2013, 02:27:47 PM
Aha!  Thanks for that info on the tonebars :).  Definitely late 1969 then, slight chance of early '70 because of the hammer tips
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: vanceinatlance on June 12, 2013, 02:25:56 AM
I didn't even think about the electronics. I took a lot of pics inside the amp when I replaced the power cord. Maybe I'll stumble across something there.
It is good to know that it is in the 69-70 ballpark at least. That narrows it a lot closer than I would have ever guessed myself.
Thanks to both of you for the great information!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: GetWithTheTines on June 16, 2013, 06:40:53 AM
Wow! That is so cool! It does seem to have a Fender Twin built in. Incidentally, those RCA tubes and JBL speakers are pretty coveted. Would love to see a video of you playing that thing!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on June 16, 2013, 04:31:24 PM
Wow! That is so cool! It does seem to have a Fender Twin built in. Incidentally, those RCA tubes and JBL speakers are pretty coveted. Would love to see a video of you playing that thing!


It's torn apart at present.  I'm having the treble pot replaced by an amp tech.  I'll get some video and audio of it once I get it reassembled.  And yeah, all the original tubes are there, and the amp works perfectly; as in complete and utter overkill.  Here's the amp by itself:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/IMG_3035_zpsee78ceaf.jpg)


I'm wondering if Rhodes sent these to dealers and didn't get any orders?  That would explain the very few of them that were ever seemingly made and sold.  Weird.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: BerneseMtnDog on June 16, 2013, 06:13:41 PM
This guyt popped up on my local Craigslist.  Looks similar?
http://roseburg.craigslist.org/msg/3785304841.html

Steve
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 07, 2013, 08:47:11 PM
I recorded some feedback with my Rhodes last night.  Super odd and very fun to do.

https://soundcloud.com/thegreyzone/rhodes-feedback

I'm having trouble with a loud rattle that is coming from somewhere inside the beast.  (Although it makes cool sounds in feedback mode.)  And I took my camera to the studio, so I'll try to get video/audio of it in action soon. 
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: hchinaski on July 08, 2013, 01:39:01 AM
Is the giant wirewound resistor in the lower left part of the cabinet part of a speaker mute arrangement?   (Yyou can't run a tube amp without a speaker attached, it will melt the output transformer).
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 08, 2013, 07:12:42 AM
Is the giant wirewound resistor in the lower left part of the cabinet part of a speaker mute arrangement?   (Yyou can't run a tube amp without a speaker attached, it will melt the output transformer).

It's hooked up to the secondary speaker output switch, so it has something to do with that.  It says 4 ohms on it, with other markings.  I ran it solo into my Bag End 2x12 earlier and the bass vibration noise wasn't there, which tells me something inside the piano is rattling with low frequencies.  I'm still trying to find out what is causing that.  Other than that the thing is an absolute tone beast.  Way too loud for home use, which I suspect is why it never went into serious production.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 09, 2013, 06:01:53 AM
Here's a brief overview and audio sample of the Rhodes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKoX3yqMuFc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on July 09, 2013, 06:53:15 AM
Fantastic insight in your video thanks got all the detailed info. Man! It sounds amazing. VERY similar tone to my may '72 suitcase- definitely the same tines!! Can tell them a mile off.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 09, 2013, 03:24:10 PM
Sounds like Raymacs.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on July 09, 2013, 03:32:50 PM
On a '72?
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: The Real MC on July 09, 2013, 04:52:24 PM
(http://ep-forum.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7705.0;attach=1766;image)


Thanks for this post;  very helpful.  This pic is the first one I've seen with that same attachment, and is exactly where mine is.  Mine has a black cable that snakes down to the gap and terminates in a mono male 1/8" cable, so your are probably right about it being for recording onto tape.  But where is your date stamp?  I thought they were all stamped in the upper right corner like mine is.

I had a basketcase Rhodes with this setup too.  Eventually I removed the attenuator network and cable/1-8" plug and sold the harp assembly.  I had no clue what that network was used for.  I do remember the datecode was in the early 70s.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: The Real MC on July 09, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
great YT video

Bandmaster Reverb has six dual triode tubes and two 6L6 power tubes.  The amp chassis in your piano shows six dual triode tubes and FOUR pentode 6L6 power tubes, with a badge that states 100w output.  You have a Twin Reverb chassis, AKA Dual Showman Reverb, Vibrosonic Reverb, Quad Reverb, Super Six Reverb, all the same chassis and circuit.  There is no other amp from that era that fits that description.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: The Real MC on July 09, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
On a '72?

It *does* sound like the Raymacs on my sparkletop - the hammer strike produces that trademark "thunk" and bell tone at the same time.

I used to own an early 70s stage piano with Torringtons and it didn't sound like that.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on July 09, 2013, 05:40:14 PM
But I thought we'd just established that ray macs only went up to mid '71?
To me they sound like the torringtons on my may '72. uncannily so.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 09, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
here's another clip, mostly feedback with some playing at the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwvJJc62H_c


On another note (heh), what exactly are Torringtons and Raymacs?  I've owned a few Rhodes before but never got all that nerdy about them.  Now I can't read enough.   Thanks!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 10, 2013, 11:20:39 AM
It sounds like Raymacs. I haven't been following this to close. What year is it? A '70 with felt tips in the bass?
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: The Real MC on July 10, 2013, 11:47:15 AM
On another note (heh), what exactly are Torringtons and Raymacs?  I've owned a few Rhodes before but never got all that nerdy about them.  Now I can't read enough.   Thanks!

Rhodes used different manufacturers for their tines over the years.  Raymacs were the first generation, used up until '71 or '72.  Torringtons replaced Raymacs until about '78, when Schagler took over.  The durability got better with each transition, but the sound changed.  None of them are 'best', it is all subjective.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 10, 2013, 12:08:50 PM
Mid to late '75 is when Torringtons were gone. That's when Shaller's took over. But there are slight differences from late '75 to '84. No way does a '79 sound like a '76, but other techs have told me they are the same. Late '75 '76 have less highs. '77's have huge sustain and hardly ever a dead tine. I don't think I have found one.
Title: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Student Rhodes on July 11, 2013, 01:01:16 AM
I agree, is sounds like one of my Student Models, with Raymacs.

Did anybody else comment on the FOUR harp support brackets?  Double the standard.
Looks like it has the felt tipped hammers as well.
Looks like the kind of thing they might have sold to a church.
Cool.

Ray
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on July 11, 2013, 02:31:50 AM
yeah i saw those brackets...i reckon they are there to stop any further movement of the tonebar and pickup rails caused by the excessive vol vibration from sitting on that loud amp...thoughts?

PS Maybe it is raymacs..but could also be torringtons with felt hammers....thats something we dont hear that often..correct?

Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 11, 2013, 03:49:18 AM
Here's a shot of the hammers and felts:

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/hammers_zpsb6a29d75.jpg)

And the lower tonebars:

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/keys_zpsd1c59856.jpg)


What'dya think?
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Student Rhodes on July 11, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
Neoprene tps? Crazy.  Could'a swore that in a different photo, I saw felt tips.   Then again, by 72, that's what Fender was using.
The tips look in great shape.  Very little gap, or crystallization. you may still want to take a razor blade to them to get to soft rubber.

Perhaps you can flip the harp, and get some tight photos of the actual tines and tone blocks.
That would put all the Raymac v. Torrington stuff to bed.

Ray
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 11, 2013, 12:49:28 PM
I know I took photos with the harp up but I can't find them.  I'll take a few more shots later when I'm back at the studio.  Maybe I have Tormacs.   :D
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on July 11, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Neoprene tps? Crazy.  Could'a swore that in a different photo, I saw felt tips.   Then again, by 72, that's what Fender was using.
The tips look in great shape.  Very little gap, or crystallization. you may still want to take a razor blade to them to get to soft rubber.

Perhaps you can flip the harp, and get some tight photos of the actual tines and tone blocks.
That would put all the Raymac v. Torrington stuff to bed.

Ray

Thats on the previous page...someone else with a similar piano but with square felt tips...
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 17, 2013, 04:10:10 AM
http://soundcloud.com/thegreyzone/madammaladysrhodes


Some Rhodes goodness from earlier today. 
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 22, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
So I finally got around to removing all the keys. 


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/Inner_zps82e83dd7.jpg)


I have a can of food-grade silicone that was mentioned for lubing the pins.  Is it safe to (carefully) spray a little on the pins, or do they need removed?  It's mostly the bass keys that seem a bit on the sticky side.  (The inside is a lot cleaner than that pic shows, I cleaned it after taking the picture.)


Btw, I found a handy way to store the keys in order:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/KeyLid_zps6a87cb95.jpg)


 ;D


And here's a shot of the tines and pickups:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/TinesPickups_zps16a89408.jpg)


Torringtons?  Raymacs?  Shallymacingtons?  Interesting bit of red coloration on a few of them.  Apart from the odd red one now and again they all look the same, at least to me. 

Thanks for any lube advice.






Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 23, 2013, 12:10:03 AM
It's hard to tell by the color of the springs on the tines. Raymacs are coated with paint, but not always. They sounded like Raymacs but look like Torrington. Who knows? You have the older 1 inch magnet pic ups. Boy are they in need of adjustment!   
 You want to lube the key pedestal felts. Saturate them good, let dry overnight. If the action is not faster in the morning, no lube will help. It would be time to replace them. Use an eye dropper for the pins. I could go on and on about that Rhodes but it's a full moon and there are deer to track.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Student Rhodes on July 23, 2013, 12:24:41 AM
They look like Torringtons to me.
The key peds seem to be from around '72, (with the bevel on the front edge of the pedestal) and by then Fender was using Torringtons.  Ditto for the Neoprene tips.  Don't think they were ever paired up with Raymacs.

Ray
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 23, 2013, 02:00:08 AM
Sure Raymacs were paired up with neopream. The very first in fact. But you are probably right about them being Torringtons. The first neopream tips were multi colored. I noticed the pic up wiring is like a '71 or '72. The bass dampers are shorter like a late '72 early '73. But the range is different.
 What is now needed is a pic of the key dip using a ruler. That's what always interests me the most about these early Rhodes. 
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 23, 2013, 09:02:48 PM
It's hard to tell by the color of the springs on the tines. Raymacs are coated with paint, but not always. They sounded like Raymacs but look like Torrington. Who knows? You have the older 1 inch magnet pic ups. Boy are they in need of adjustment!   
 You want to lube the key pedestal felts. Saturate them good, let dry overnight. If the action is not faster in the morning, no lube will help. It would be time to replace them. Use an eye dropper for the pins. I could go on and on about that Rhodes but it's a full moon and there are deer to track.

Thanks for your insight.  Is it okay to get the lube on the paper spacers on the balance rail?   I haven't lubed anything yet;  I'm going to take the vacuum over and get as much dust out as I can before I do any more work on it. 
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Post by: LeonSpinks on July 23, 2013, 09:26:45 PM
Also I noticed this for the first time:


(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/WhatThis_zps45bbd586.jpg)


It's only under the lowest dozen or so keys (I didn't count).  I'm curious as to it's purpose. 


Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 23, 2013, 10:51:08 PM
If done right, no lube will touch the papers. Also, the thickest cardboard washer should be on top of the papers, not under. It's not that big of deal to lube the balance pins. It's the key pedestal felts that need the spray lube. It will lighten the action and protect the hammer cam.
 The block of wood provides tension.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 24, 2013, 12:06:05 AM
Spray the key pedestals outside of the piano. Install them and then lube the pins. Let the lube slide down the pins into the felt. It's also more important to lube the guide pins than the balance pins. I would just do the pedestal felts myself. You must use the right lube. You know what type by now.
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Post by: LeonSpinks on July 24, 2013, 12:25:05 AM
Spray the key pedestals outside of the piano. Install them and then lube the pins. Let the lube slide down the pins into the felt. It's also more important to lube the guide pins than the balance pins. I would just do the pedestal felts myself. You must use the right lube. You know what type by now.

When you say "key pedestals outside the piano" are you referring to the felts?  I'm not entirely new to Rhodes' but I've never done anything like this, so the short-hand is mostly lost on me.  Thanks!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: goldphinga on July 24, 2013, 01:25:43 AM
Spray the key pedestals outside of the piano. Install them and then lube the pins. Let the lube slide down the pins into the felt. It's also more important to lube the guide pins than the balance pins. I would just do the pedestal felts myself. You must use the right lube. You know what type by now.

When you say "key pedestals outside the piano" are you referring to the felts?  I'm not entirely new to Rhodes' but I've never done anything like this, so the short-hand is mostly lost on me.  Thanks!

Remove all the keys from the piano then spray the felt on the back of each key. Then put them back in the piano.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on July 24, 2013, 02:07:42 AM
Take a picture of the key pedestal felts from overhead and or at a slight angle.
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Post by: LeonSpinks on July 25, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
Take a picture of the key pedestal felts from overhead and or at a slight angle.

Will do later tonight.  In the meantime the rca pre-amp cable needs replaced.  Look how fun it is to unplug from the amp:

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/cable_zps1590d4a8.jpg)


Luckily you don't have to entirely remove the amp, which is a very difficult job.  What I wound up doing was removing three of the four chassis screws, lifting the damper bar out of the pedal to bend it outward, and rotated the amp back as far as it would go, using a drumstick to prop that end of the amp up.  That gave me enough room to unplug the angled 1/4" cable and plug a new one in.  So insane is this machine. 






Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on July 28, 2013, 01:45:02 AM
Take a picture of the key pedestal felts from overhead and or at a slight angle.

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/Bad_Jazz/Rhodes/PedestalFelts_zps43159182.jpg)


It's all back up and running.  Horrifyingly loud.  Feedback is fun, though.
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Post by: vanceinatlance on July 28, 2013, 01:58:31 AM
What a cool and unique find! Very interesting how that amp was incorporated into the piano. Hope to see some more videos of it soon.

Just saw your listing on eBay. It would be interesting to know what you get for it. I would be tempted myself, but at 25k, I don't even think selling a few of my battered internal organs would get me there.  It is unique, and who knows, you might even be under what someone would pay.  Best of luck!
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: The Real MC on August 03, 2013, 11:46:25 PM
Awright, who's going to cough up $25K?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-1-of-15-or-so-ever-made-Insane-Crazy-Cookies-/290955113247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43be46b31f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-1-of-15-or-so-ever-made-Insane-Crazy-Cookies-/290955113247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43be46b31f)
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: BerneseMtnDog on August 04, 2013, 12:48:19 PM
That Rhodes sat on the Eugene CL for a long while at $400 with no takers.  No idea where the $25k comes from.

Steve
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: Ben Bove on August 05, 2013, 12:17:56 PM
I do wish there was a market for these pianos at those prices.  It's silly to me in comparison, where a vintage fender guitar can bring in 10s of thousands of dollars, when a Rhodes piano is so much more expensive and harder to make.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: David Ell on August 05, 2013, 01:06:36 PM
 That's a good point bjammerz. The market for vintage Rhodes isn't where it should be at all. I fully dyno'ed a mint '78 stage including my pre amp and only made 200$ for 40 hour work week. Good Rhodes are not selling well. There is one on ebay that has been fully restored and it just sits there for months. We techs are putting our lives into the craft, we should be doing better. As the world falls into this left wing game of musical chairs, everybody suffers.
 It got to the point where all I was getting was calls for free help so I took my site down. I would gladly help, but people wanted me to rebuild their piano over the phone. Some would even *demand* I bend over backwards. People these days want everything for free. They should open their own business and see what's it's like to really work. It's time for a right wing come back. I don't see it happening.
 On another note, good Rhodes are becoming harder to find. I have not seen a mid 70's Rhodes for sale in my state for a long time. A '72? forget about it. I know I live where the nearest Rhodes is 8 hours away, but the economy is putting a "damper" on everything. The gas costs to travel are outrageous. 
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on September 12, 2013, 08:14:43 PM
Had a nice surprise a few days ago:  a client at my studio brought in a killer Rhodes player (and guitarist) to improv for a few hours.  Here are two examples of the Executone in action:

https://soundcloud.com/thegreyzone/rhode-and-plenty

https://soundcloud.com/thegreyzone/waitingfortheloop

Also I'm gradually lowering the price.    :D
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Post by: voltergeist on September 26, 2013, 10:54:55 AM
In the video you say you're considering removing the reverb tank.  I would recommend against that.  Disable it if you wish, but leave it intact.  Too rare, too intact, and too unique to be tearing out original equipment.
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: guvech on January 01, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
Awright, who's going to cough up $25K?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-1-of-15-or-so-ever-made-Insane-Crazy-Cookies-/290955113247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43be46b31f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-1-of-15-or-so-ever-made-Insane-Crazy-Cookies-/290955113247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43be46b31f)

the same piano now is $6,800  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-Prototype-Vintage-Electric-Piano-Mk-I-Suitcase-73-/161186306397?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item258773d95d
Title: Re: 1972 Fender Rhodes Executone (or is it?) I just aquired. Weird.
Post by: LeonSpinks on January 01, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
Awright, who's going to cough up $25K?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-1-of-15-or-so-ever-made-Insane-Crazy-Cookies-/290955113247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43be46b31f (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-1-of-15-or-so-ever-made-Insane-Crazy-Cookies-/290955113247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43be46b31f)

the same piano now is $6,800  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Fender-Rhodes-Executone-Prototype-Vintage-Electric-Piano-Mk-I-Suitcase-73-/161186306397?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item258773d95d

Best of luck to him.  He was the highest bidder when I had it listed;  I suppose his more detailed listing might bring three times as much money.  He doesn't mention the bad treble pot or missing power cable junction. 

In case you're curious, I picked it up off craigslist for $350.  Put it on ebay for months and got zero bites, even in the low 2 grand range until he contacted me.  I wound up delivering it to him in Seattle for $2,200.  Nice guy with a really nice little store.  I played a Piano Bass for the first time.