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Lubricating Action on 200
« on: March 04, 2020, 01:47:28 PM »
For those of you who have performed this time-consuming task, I've read that there is a way to lubricate without necessarily taking the entire piano apart and removing each whip assembly one by one.  I was wondering how that's done.  Do you still need to remove the harp and dampers and remove the entire assembly chassis from the piano? Or is there a way to treat the assemblies while they're still in the piano?

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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2020, 10:49:05 PM »
I use those needle medical syringes like the ones used for giving shots. Pin point accuracy and reduced waste. I take the dampers off, harps off, then the rest of the action off in one piece (5 screws fasten it to the base and two screws hold it to the bracket in the back. From there it’s easy peezy.

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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 11:10:25 PM »
So after you unscrew the whole action off, do you lubricate the whips while still attached?  Or do you remove them as well?

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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2020, 02:10:06 AM »

You are talking about lubricating the action centers, right Cinnanon?

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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2020, 06:19:17 AM »
You do not need to take all of the parts out to lubricate them.... This would take forever. Are you sure your piano even needs this done? Are parts sticking/slow to return? Do you have any Protek? (Piano parts lubricant) Protek is available on eBay. A 4 oz bottle lasts a long time. If the piano was exposed to high humidity in it's previous location, sometimes just airing it out in a dry location is suitable. If not, use the syringe method or a pipette (long thin plastic syringe with a bulb on end) if your piano needs lubing, the jack flange is likely the main spot that needs lube. A bright flashlight and long syringe or pipette are all you need to get in there. It is ok if a few drops drip onto the keys. The balance rail and front rail pins are also a good place to clean/lube. It is pretty rare to have to lube the damper or hammer flanges, but sometimes the whip flanges (especially the jack as I mentioned)
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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2020, 04:25:47 PM »
Yes I’m referring to lubing the action centers. The hardest part about removing the action are the damper arm grommets. Doing this makes everything much more accessible.

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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2020, 08:29:51 AM »
After a PM w/ the o.p., it sounds like only the keysticks are sticking, not the action centers. Easing the key bushings and cleaning/lubing the balance and front rail pins should solve the problem.

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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2020, 06:48:35 AM »
That’s odd that some felts are affected while others are not. If I saw that, I’d still lube everything for good measure. The acid test is to release the damper on a note and then play it. If it doesn’t return after a soft keystroke and soft release, then the action centers will need lubed.
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Re: Lubricating Action on 200
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2020, 10:46:21 AM »
The cheapest and easiest thing to try first is to ease the key bushings and clean/lube the front rail pins and the balance rail pins.Then, if there is still a problem, dig deeper.

When troubleshooting, always try the easy things first.
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 270 Butterfly Grand
2004 Hammond XK3
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...