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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2021, 05:38:31 PM »
goldphinga -- Great to hear from you in this thread.  No need for us "speculatin'" when we can get the word from the source - thanks!  If you developed this with artists and were answering an expressed need, all the power to you. As I mentioned in an earlier post on this, I hope you can bring artists visibly into the picture -- especially if they can use your custom effects to dial in a new "signature sound".  That could help bring the masses calling.  And seriously - if a Mark Ronson can work the MK8 into a session -- or you can get it on stage behind a well known hip hop artist or a neo-soul throwback like the new Mars-Paak project, you can dial into a new generation of players. 

I guess I should ask -- as was discussed above, are you looking to stay small with an ongoing limited issue - or are there mass marketing plans in the works?
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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2021, 02:32:38 AM »
goldphinga -- Great to hear from you in this thread.  No need for us "speculatin'" when we can get the word from the source - thanks!  If you developed this with artists and were answering an expressed need, all the power to you. As I mentioned in an earlier post on this, I hope you can bring artists visibly into the picture -- especially if they can use your custom effects to dial in a new "signature sound".  That could help bring the masses calling.  And seriously - if a Mark Ronson can work the MK8 into a session -- or you can get it on stage behind a well known hip hop artist or a neo-soul throwback like the new Mars-Paak project, you can dial into a new generation of players. 

I guess I should ask -- as was discussed above, are you looking to stay small with an ongoing limited issue - or are there mass marketing plans in the works?

We are on with talking to many artists at the moment, so def expect more on that front very soon. We will have lots of great visual and audio content coming on top of the sound clips and website that are already out there. Regarding staying small- well, we have some very big plans, the flagship MK8 is just the start, we obviously want to get Rhodes products into the hands of as many musicians as possible.
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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2021, 01:56:54 PM »
Hi :-)

What about the Rhodes-direct-to-Amp lovers? Do you consider an all-passive version?

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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2021, 04:25:22 PM »
Hi :-)

What about the Rhodes-direct-to-Amp lovers? Do you consider an all-passive version?

regards, Jens :-)

You can run direct from the send on the Fx accessory loop for a direct passive pickup signal. A passive piano… 8)

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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2021, 06:25:31 PM »
goldphinga-- First, let me just say thank you for helping bring the MK8 to market in the first place. Regardless of what anyone on this (or any other) forum says about the MK8, I know we are all happy that it managed to happen at all. I do truly wish the best for the MK8 (and whatever future products you have planned).


I have a few questions that I'd love to know if you can share info on them.

1. What era are your new tines based on? I know VV says theirs are based on 1974-75 Torringtons. Did you start with a specific Rhodes and try to match the sound or are these tines not supposed to replicate any specific model year?

2. Same question but for the hammer tips. I believe the Rhodes site says there are 4 hammer zones. Why only 4? I know VV and others have tried to find ways to increase the amount of zones so I was surprised to see the MK8 have less than previous models.

3. Will there be demo models avalible for people to try? I know you can't put one in every Guitar Center across America and Europe with only 500 total but will there be at least one in LA, NYC, London, etc?

4. Merch! I know a lot of people (including myself) can't afford the MK8 but would buy a new Rhodes T shirt, hoodie, hat, etc in a heartbeat. Any chance of anything like that happening soon?


Thanks again for everything you are doing for the Rhodes legacy
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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2021, 04:28:40 AM »
goldphinga-- First, let me just say thank you for helping bring the MK8 to market in the first place. Regardless of what anyone on this (or any other) forum says about the MK8, I know we are all happy that it managed to happen at all. I do truly wish the best for the MK8 (and whatever future products you have planned).

Thank you for the support. We just wanted to build the best Rhodes we could and really push the instrument forward. This is not about recreating the past but retaining the classic Rhodes tone whilst truly moving the instrument into the future in a sensitive way. The exciting thing for me is that the MK8 and the hybrid/new technologies that we have developed for it provide a very flexible ecosystem/platform which we can utilise far into the future.

My answers in line below:

I have a few questions that I'd love to know if you can share info on them.

1. What era are your new tines based on? I know VV says theirs are based on 1974-75 Torringtons. Did you start with a specific Rhodes and try to match the sound or are these tines not supposed to replicate any specific model year?

We simply wanted to create a great sounding tine that embodied the unmistakeable classic Rhodes tone from across the eras. During development of the new tines, I had a 1969 MK1 with felt hammers, 1972 MK1 suitcase, 1979 MK1 suitcase, 1980 MK2 suitcase and 1984 MKV in the lab alongisde the MK8 protototype. The tines have the clarity of later models, with the fat round-ness of the earlier models too- so the idea really was to make a tine that could represent all the eras. The way the new tines are made and the tolerances involved are completely new (the block, wire material and whole assembly is completely unique to the MK8 and different to any previous Rhodes tine).

2. Same question but for the hammer tips. I believe the Rhodes site says there are 4 hammer zones. Why only 4? I know VV and others have tried to find ways to increase the amount of zones so I was surprised to see the MK8 have less than previous models.

One word- material. The entirely new hammer tip material allows us to have all the sonic benefits of neoprene but with much better resistance to cracking and hardening, whilst keeping its elasticity. Also the shore values are tightly controlled throughout the production process which has allowed us to reduce the number of tip zones and transition points across the keyboard.

3. Will there be demo models avalible for people to try? I know you can't put one in every Guitar Center across America and Europe with only 500 total but will there be at least one in LA, NYC, London, etc?

Yes, we are just working on this at the moment and we will have demo units across the globe soon. I'll come back with more on this once we have it all in place. It's a huge logistics operation but we are on it.

4. Merch! I know a lot of people (including myself) can't afford the MK8 but would buy a new Rhodes T shirt, hoodie, hat, etc in a heartbeat. Any chance of anything like that happening soon?

And yes to this too- we will have a merch store on the www.rhodesmusic.com website soon.

Happy to answer more questions, let me know and hope this answers everything for now


Thanks again for everything you are doing for the Rhodes legacy
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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2021, 06:02:02 AM »
The way the new tines are made and the tolerances involved are completely new (the block, wire material and whole assembly is completely unique to the MK8 and different to any previous Rhodes tine).

That appears to answer my question of "will Rhodes be offering any replacement tines for older models"  :-\

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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2021, 12:52:14 PM »
The way the new tines are made and the tolerances involved are completely new (the block, wire material and whole assembly is completely unique to the MK8 and different to any previous Rhodes tine).

That appears to answer my question of "will Rhodes be offering any replacement tines for older models"  :-\

But they fit in the same way to any older piano…  8)

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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2021, 04:27:29 PM »
Goldphinga-- Thanks again for taking the time to answer our questions. I can only imagine how busy you are right now with the launch.


I have a few more I'd love to know if you could share some light on them.


1. What was the design/sound inspiration for the new preamp? Is it designed to replicate the sound of the Peterson (or any of the other preamps) or is it supposed to be something completely new? Also, why not use more concentric knobs instead of spreading the preamp out?

2. What model year(s) are the pickups based on? I know they have gone through a few revisions so I'm curious if the MK8 is sticking with a previous design or if these are completely new.

3. How similar are you able to get each MK8 off the assembly line? I know the sparkletops and early MK1 Rhodes could often be very different even if they were right next to each other during production. That wasn't necessarily a bad thing for voicing as it helped give each Rhodes a distinct voice but it could also mean one would play quick and responsive and the next would be slow and sluggish.

4. I know you did a lot of research on the design of the harp and harp supports so can you share with us once and for all: What is the benefit/effect of wooden pickup/tonebar rails vs some sort of lighter composite?

5.Same question but for the aluminum harp supports. I know people have spent years arguing about how the wood harp supports are a big part of the early sound but I am guessing that if you kept the wood on the top but not the supports that's probably not true.

Thanks for the info
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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2021, 01:21:37 PM »
Goldphinga-- Thanks again for taking the time to answer our questions. I can only imagine how busy you are right now with the launch.


I have a few more I'd love to know if you could share some light on them.


1. What was the design/sound inspiration for the new preamp? Is it designed to replicate the sound of the Peterson (or any of the other preamps) or is it supposed to be something completely new? Also, why not use more concentric knobs instead of spreading the preamp out?

It's supposed to give the truest uncoloured sound of the piano when set flat, but to add beautiful musical colour when the features are used such as EQ, drive, envelope, or panning. It's an-all new design from the ground up and not based on anything previously. This wasn't about trying to recreate the past but to simply take the core Rhodes sound forward in new ways, all in one self-contained instrument. My vision was ultimately to have the quality of a Neve, Amek or API preamp, coupled with Moogerfooger quality analogue effects. The panning circuit is hugely flexible too so it can sound like a Peterson doing bulb panning, or a Janus and LOTS more besides- inc. ring mod, crazy noises, talking vowel sounds, synth textures/layers, pulsing sounds, it's very unique in its abilities.


2. What model year(s) are the pickups based on? I know they have gone through a few revisions so I'm curious if the MK8 is sticking with a previous design or if these are completely new.

The pickups are a new design but again are simply designed to bring the best out in the MK8 and retain the classic Rhodes soul, with a new shaped pickup head that allows the precisely cut tines to get dead on the end of the pickups. The pickups will saturate nicely and also have an anti-slip design so when you tighten them down they don't move out of the desired postion. Sound-wise, they are fat with plenty of clarity and punch, espeically in the mids, with nice clarity at the top and a round extended low freq response.

3. How similar are you able to get each MK8 off the assembly line? I know the sparkletops and early MK1 Rhodes could often be very different even if they were right next to each other during production. That wasn't necessarily a bad thing for voicing as it helped give each Rhodes a distinct voice but it could also mean one would play quick and responsive and the next would be slow and sluggish.

They are all setting up very consistently. This is something that was important from day one and the piano has been designed so that it sets up as close to the same every time. We have very tight setup procedures and measurements and this has been made achievable by really improving part and manufacturing tolerances and methods, pushing the Rhodes technology into new areas- so that effectively  now it's a precision-built and setup instrument.

4. I know you did a lot of research on the design of the harp and harp supports so can you share with us once and for all: What is the benefit/effect of wooden pickup/tonebar rails vs some sort of lighter composite?

We tried many materials during the dev process but wood rails are time proven and work well, and now with modern processes we can make these as precisely as possible too. The rails carry a lot of weight and have to also absorb vibrations well, plus they need to look great, drill well, hold the screws well, and not warp- there is still no better material than the highest grade baltic birch imho, at least for this piano.


5.Same question but for the aluminum harp supports. I know people have spent years arguing about how the wood harp supports are a big part of the early sound but I am guessing that if you kept the wood on the top but not the supports that's probably not true.

The wood vs alu supports has weirdly become a thing but it really isn't a thing!! The impact aluminium has on the sonics vs wood should really have been put to bed a long time ago, as it really isn't a contributing factor to how great a Rhodes can sound. The alu rails simply allow much better tolerances, decrease setup time required and enable more consistency during production, plus they give the piano extra strength and less opportunity to warp and twist. Also we coated the alu in the piano to reduce any chance of internal reflections (no shiny surfaces) so really, there is zero advantage to wood supports imho. Alu supports are a big part of the MK8 and it really benefits from them. If we had made the frames from wood, tolerances would be nowhere near as exact, build time would increase and it would not be as roadworthy either. That's all very important to the MK8.

Thanks for the info

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Re: The Rhodes Mark 8
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2021, 09:30:59 AM »
Hey

Will it be possible to buy parts?

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