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« on: September 25, 2007, 01:19:28 AM »
Apologies for my newbie questions. I have an opportunity to purchase this '75 Mark I and would like to seek for any advice on it prior to my purchasing. How much should I be looking to spend on this 88 key and is there anything that I should look for to repair if I purchase this?  Below are some photos. Thank you in advance!
















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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 09:50:37 AM »
Those are excellent pictures, that makes this a lot easier, so good job.

Costs I provide are a best guess, and don't take into account stumbling into a fantastic deal somewhere.

Things I notice missing right away:
No sustain pedal--that will cost you 80-170 bucks depending where you source it.
Sustain pedal push rod--40 to 60 bucks
Missing the diagonal braces for the rear legs. no idea on price, sorry (Edit: found the ebay auction listing--this one has the braces, which is awesome)
Probably (certainly) missing the knob to secure the braces, 10 bucks

The real weirdness is the tone bars for the lower 7 notes being hacked off. I don't know what to say about that.

On the plus side:
keys look like they are fairly even. If the action is to your liking, this may be an okay purchase. All the above are dead easy to replace, no disassembly required.

I personally would not lay out more than 500 bucks, but I prefer suitcases and I am a serious tightwad. To me an 88 is not an advantage either, just more weight to lug. Other's opinions will vary. ;)

There are a lot of Rhodes pianos out there, and several still in mint shape. I'll be curious to see what this one brings.

If you can get it for 400 snarf it up. This isn't exactly a project piano, but it's not "ready to play" either.

(also wait for other opinions because here are a lot of knowledgeable people on this board)

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 10:02:14 AM »
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The real weirdness is the tone bars for the lower 7 notes being hacked off. I don't know what to say about that.

Wait a minute...wasn't that standard in all 88 models? I thought the tines rang long enough anyway so that they needed no tonebars. Apart from that, the 88 of a friend of mine doesn't have the last 7 tonebars, too.
I wonder if the wiring on the top notes is original. Looks a little strange, but if it works - no problem.
To me it looks good. As a little German I can't really help you for realistic pricing in the US, though, sorry...
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 10:16:57 AM »
Perhhaps you're right--I never opened up an 88, so that's why I said "I don't know what to say."  :D

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2007, 12:28:57 PM »
Thanks guys, appreciate the help!

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2007, 01:58:47 PM »
88's don't have the tonebars way down there, so this looks just as it's supposed to be. Same goes for the wiring in the high register, it might look messy, but it's supposed to be like that. If it plays, doesn't smell like fungus and judging the pic's, I'd say go for it !
Pricing is somewhat difficult, since I'm from Europe and prices are higher over here for these babies, but I've seen them for around €1700,- to €2000,- over here depending on their state. Rob A is correct about the sustain pedal and rod and you just cannot do without them. I for one, wouldn't hesitate if I could get it for 500 bucks (bargain :shock: )like Rob A stated, but I'm European.....

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2007, 02:55:21 PM »
They are not as scarce stateside. Try not to get caught up in bidding war, there will be a next one. This model/configuration isn't particularly rare.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2007, 06:05:21 PM »
might i add that an 88 stage is an ABSOLUTE back breaker... they are BEASTS!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2007, 03:52:40 AM »
Thanks again guys, appreciate it. I'll be checking this one out sometime later on in the week. Hopefully all goes well. :)

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2007, 07:11:40 AM »
Oh oh oh!!

the front legs are missing the bottom section. that's bad. but fixable.


 as they are the keyboard will slope down toward you as you play.

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2007, 07:15:12 AM »
tines number 58, 69 and 70 are most likely too long.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2007, 10:38:01 AM »
yeah tonebars were not used on the lower register, my guess is the range of motion of the tine would collide with the tonebar.  That "pwang" noise when you really jam on a low E is usually the tine hitting the tonebar, so you can imagine the wider range of motion on longer notes.

It is a clean one though.  As far as the legs they look aftermarket, not original broken.  The plating doesn't appear to be chrome.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2007, 12:06:31 PM »
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They are not as scarce stateside.


It's not that they're scarce, they're just more expensive. A' regular' 73 stage MK 1 or 2 is offered for, what I think is a ridiculous, €1000 up to €1950. (thats $1400 to $2730 !!) Don't know off course what price eventually is paid.
If it was a piano you'd buy from a tech and was completely overhauled it's a different ballgame, but most of them have never been touched or seen by an experienced tech or have professional modifications or something like that.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2007, 08:44:38 PM »
That piano has WOOD keys.  Not many 88s with wood keys.

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2007, 10:40:20 PM »
not many 88's with wood keys? i have to disagree.

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2007, 08:53:51 AM »
The more common keysets with plastic keyshells glued to wooden actuators are easy to pick out.  I've seen a lot of auctions of 88s and have not seen many with all wood keys.  You can tell wood keys from plastic if the pics are close enough.

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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2007, 12:53:27 PM »
you mean the caps on these are the ones with the top faceplate and front plate only and not the wrap-around plastic cap?
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2007, 03:25:17 PM »
if you want to gig with it, hold out for a 73-key. looks to be in good shape, but like others have said, that doesn't make it worth much over $500. mine was around that and in very similar condition...but was posted in the classifieds rather than on ebay. meanwhile, the one i'd been watching on ebay, hit 2 grand for no reason (well, it had the satellite speakers, but jeez).
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2007, 06:18:50 PM »
True - the 88 Key stage is the heaviest section of a Rhodes ever produced - beyond the physical weight of the additional keys, the weight of the longer reinforced wood base on all stages for the leg flange support makes it a real monster.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007, 04:20:46 AM »
oh i see mr MC the key caps, i get it.

1973 is the only year UI have seen  with the down the side key caps, does anyone know how long these went for?

bjammers you seem to be savvy on all the years and what changed when. is it just a 1973 thing?

and what do people think of those style caps?

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2007, 08:23:20 AM »
My 1973 stage has this type of key-the wood levers with the full skirt keycap.

My other 2 newer models that I had did not.
(1975 suitcase and a late late 70's stage I owned briefly and stupidly sold in the days b4 ebay for almost nothing)

Does anyone know where to buy a couple of these keycaps? Previous owner of this stage was a smoker and melted a couple,but I buffed them out pretty well..

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2007, 08:04:12 PM »
steveo: I have a full set of keys with the full skirt keycaps in clean condition.

They were displaced when I bought a set of full wood keys.  The problem is I need the matching pin rails - balance and front - for the wood keys.  The keys are not interchangeable without the pin rails.

If you can get me the pin rails for the wood keys, I will trade even up for the skirt keysets.

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2007, 09:27:05 PM »
Are wood keys a plus?

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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2007, 10:19:36 PM »
to Andreww,

If we are talking about the same thing, both keys are wood.The type I am referring to are wooden 'sticks' (like levers) with the white key shaped 'full skirt' caps glued on. Only the plastic has the shape of F,G,A,B, etc. My 1973 stage has this type.

The other style is like an acoustic piano-the wooden part has the shape of the key also, and the white tops are glued on in the same shape, then the excess is sanded off of the sides.My 1975 piano bass (made from a chopped dead suitcase) has these keys.

I think 1 or 2 later models had all plastic keys,with no wood inside, but I'm not that familiar with those models.I would assume that these keys would be far easier to break-more like organ keys.


To the Real MC, Unfortunately, I only have a couple of empty key frames for Wurlitzer ep's lying around.I don't have a spare Rhodes keyframe...

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1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
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1980 Wurlitzer 270 Butterfly Grand
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2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
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