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Tone Bar Springs - N.O.S. vs Vintage Vibes
« on: May 31, 2010, 06:41:28 PM »
I am going to replace all my tone bar springs.

I noticed Vintage Vibe has their remakes of them (as is most their parts), and on top of that they are only sold singularly which can add up to a lot of money just for springs..

BUT I found a complete set of N.O.S. Tone Bar springs somewhere, and they would be alot cheaper for the whole complete set at that !

So my question is, (cause this answer would vary from part to part), as Tone Bar Springs are concerned, are the Vintage Vibe ones actually better than original NOS ones ? Or are NOS ones better than the remakes at Vintage Vibe ?

Also, just in general, are these Tone Bar Springs something that would lose their ideal "factory specs" by just sitting around brand new in a bag unused for 30-40 years ? Therefore better off to go with a newly made imitation ? Or no, there all good no matter what ?

Also, I know sometimes a remake is actually a improvement (even though that is very rare), is that the case with these Tone Bar Springs at Vintage Vibe ?

Whats everybody's take on this one ?
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 01:29:51 AM »
the first thing i think is, they are just tonebar springs!!!!!

If they aren't rusty I really see no benefit in replacing them AT ALL.

I doubt a difference between new and repro ones would be noticed, except visually.

ok so maybe some or the old yellow guys will be squashed.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 02:41:13 AM »
Ok, so your saying that when doing a complete grommet, washer, hardware, hammer tip, damper felts, all felts, and  etc.. replacement,  that tone bar springs should not be replaced ? I did not know that, do they last forever or something ? I mean, mine are all there and seemingly doing their job, BUT they are all original from 1970, and I just thought replacing them was a good general rule of thumb idea... ? no ? I should just leave them ?

Is there a rough "test" I can do on them to see if they are cool or not ? Honestly, the restoring job I am doing on this piano, I just really don't mind replacing them all just on "good faith, GP" alone. Why not ?

Are "broken in" ones actually maybe better than new ones ? Is that it ?
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2010, 03:54:58 PM »
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do they last forever or something ? I mean, mine are all there and seemingly doing their job, BUT they are all original from 1970, and I just thought replacing them was a good general rule of thumb idea... ? no ? I should just leave them ?


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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2010, 04:45:33 PM »
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do they last forever or something ? I mean, mine are all there and seemingly doing their job, BUT they are all original from 1970, and I just thought replacing them was a good general rule of thumb idea... ? no ? I should just leave them ?


Anyone got some feedback or input on this one ?


The springs themselves will be fine  (they're being compressed rather than stretched so they will be as good as they were when they first started) I see no need to replace them. The only reason you would purchase any is if you've lost some or you've crushed one somehow.

The springs themselves won't make any acoustical difference vs new vintage vibe one's so in this case save the money :-)

Even though as you said you could buy them, there is no discernible difference, so it won't be necessary.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2010, 06:17:42 PM »
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do they last forever or something ? I mean, mine are all there and seemingly doing their job, BUT they are all original from 1970, and I just thought replacing them was a good general rule of thumb idea... ? no ? I should just leave them ?


Anyone got some feedback or input on this one ?


The springs themselves will be fine  (they're being compressed rather than stretched so they will be as good as they were when they first started) I see no need to replace them. The only reason you would purchase any is if you've lost some or you've crushed one somehow.

The springs themselves won't make any acoustical difference vs new vintage vibe one's so in this case save the money :-)

Even though as you said you could buy them, there is no discernible difference, so it won't be necessary.
Tim


Got it. Thanks !!

So I guess if two people are saying the same thing, then the answer is apparent, I don't need new springs I guess.

I just thought that a spring maybe loses its "tension" over the years if it has been being squeezed all that time, eventually seems like it would want to stay at that compressed size and not push as much resistance outward no longer.

Guess I was wrong - LOL

Anyway, thanks for the straight forward answers and time on the input you give me. We can call this question answered and a wrap !!
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 08:17:28 AM »
I wouldn't replace any unless they are missing. This may be why V.V. does not have a special price for a whole set. Grommets are far more important to replace.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 06:11:00 PM »
For the record, Vintage Vibe does not offer "new" tonebar springs, only originals. Cheers!
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 06:37:45 PM »
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For the record, Vintage Vibe does not offer "new" tonebar springs, only originals. Cheers!


Hmm, thats weird, cause usually when they offer the NOS parts of something they title it as so, and also describe it as so. The ones they have on their site do not say anything about being NOS's.

Another thing that had/has me confused on that subject is, also, when offering products that have a wide variety of choices (options, colors, numbered, etc..) like tines and tone bars, VV is usually nice and descriptive about what you pick which for. (Tine #37, or Tone Bar #2), etc.. With Tone Bar Springs,  they originally were split into color categories (4 I think) and them different colors represent a front or rear for a particular span of Tone Bars. (IE: Blue = #68 - #88 rear tone bar mounting screws, Natural {Brown} = #33 - #67 front and rear tone bar mounting screws along with the #68 - #88 fronts, Etc....).

Well on their site, the tone bar springs they are selling are very loosely described as "Bass, Mid, & Treble".. But which is for what, where ? AND that is only 3 categories, not 4.  If they are selling NOS's, then they should have colors, but it don't seem like they do..., and if they are NOS's, and are colored, then they should give us a drop down menu to be able to select Green, Blue, etc... ALONG with  a number span and front/rear description of what that color would cover. Not simply, Bass, Mid and Treble.

So I agree I could be wrong, but their layout and description on that particular product on their site is pretty bland, so I just figured, ok, they must be selling remakes of these springs and then broke them into a more simple category of 3 instead of the original 4. All them things caused me to believe they were not selling NOS's. If they are, I strongly suggest VV update that product page to a more detailed accurate description along with a better drop down menu choice selection thing.

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 12:52:48 AM »
there are only three different spring types.
yellow, black(ish) and blue,

The mk5's had different coloured springs but i haven't seen enough mk5's to know off the top of my head.

a lot of the time the colour is mostly worn off, but telling the difference is not hard.

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 02:58:16 AM »
Quote from: "jim"
there are only three different spring types.
yellow, black(ish) and blue,

The mk5's had different coloured springs but i haven't seen enough mk5's to know off the top of my head.

a lot of the time the colour is mostly worn off, but telling the difference is not hard.


Ahhh, ok, thanks for clearing that up a touch. I actually got that info from Parts Guru, and it seems that he has NOS springs, and in colors that I mentioned, with explanations of each color like I mentioned as well. I guess maybe some of them are from the MK5's ?

Either way, I say VV needs to describe their product page more and have a more intricate selection/ordering schematic on them , AND either way, I know I aint gettin any from anyone now thanks to your guy's advice ! LOL -- Thats all that matters. I'm doin good.

Thanks again for clearing it all up for me and taking the time to give me some proper advice that ended up saving me some money.
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