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A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« on: July 04, 2014, 11:29:10 AM »
Dear all,

Hi there.  My name is Steve, and I live in Brooklyn.  I play Wurlitzer EPs and tune and regulate them, housecall/stagecall style. (I cannot do the complete overhauls that, say, Vintage Vibe does, and I refer people to them when jobs, or aspects of them, are out of my league.  I'm a local maintenance and emergency guy, for my music community.)  I've been lurking at this board for quite a while, and I thought it was time that I actively joined.

Out of my own necessity, I have created what I believe to be a complete list of every single Wurlitzer electric piano ever produced.

https://docwurly.com/wurlitzer-ep-history/wurlitzer-electric-piano-models-a-list/

I am very open to updates and corrections, and all information will be attributed to its sources.  I hope people here find it useful!!

[EDIT, November 16, 2018--updated to my current website.  --SE]
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 07:08:03 PM »
Hi, great job, that took a lot of research.

A couple of minor additions/corrections......

You forgot the model 270, butterfly grand. This was the very last model made for the USA. The model 300 was made for Europe.

I love that they started with model 100, and ended with model 300. (model number wise, the 270 was actually last apparently)


I do not know if any other info is incorrect as far as dates ,etc.



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1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 200A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 270 Butterfly Grand
2000 Yamaha acoustic piano
2004 Hammond XK3
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
....and a few guitars...

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 11:50:25 PM »
Hi, great job, that took a lot of research.
Thank you!  Honored!
You forgot the model 270, butterfly grand. This was the very last model made for the USA.
It's listed.  It's just that it's item 29, much higher up in the timeline.  The reason I suspected it might be an earlier model is that my service manual lists it as a variation on the 200, not the 200A.  I don't doubt you, but can you supply any evidence of its actual release date?  I don't necessarily assume that the numbers refer to chronology.  For example, it appears that the 214 predates the 210 by a number of years, and we know that the 700 series was early.
Yes, the model 300 was made for Europe , but it was also the last model produced, it came after the 200B.
  Again, is there any documentation of its actual release date?  That would help a lot!  The only evidence I've been able to find of these claims are posts made specifically by you.  (I've been paying attention, and I've appreciated a lot of the things you've written!)

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2014, 01:30:20 AM »
Nice list! It's great to see this information combined into one reference location. It seems I am always looking up models I had previously looked up before because I keep forgetting which model had what feature. 
I noticed your list had a question about the 210's speaker configuration. I had a 210 and it was equipped with 4x 8" speakers in the lower cabinet and none in the upper case. Two were attached facing the audience side and two facing the players side. 
Thanks for sharing your research into these models!

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2014, 06:57:43 AM »
The only actual documentation that I can provide, is that with the exception of the 106, every model released had a higher model number than the last.(except 700 series and as we now know, the 300) The 270's were the very last models produced, circa 1979-possibly up to 1982?


The 200B was 1978, I believe.

I could open up my 270 and find the date, but it is not set up right now.

I have only seen pictures of the 300, never in person.

« Last Edit: March 12, 2018, 04:34:42 PM by pianotuner steveo »
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 200A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 270 Butterfly Grand
2000 Yamaha acoustic piano
2004 Hammond XK3
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
....and a few guitars...

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2014, 09:15:02 AM »
The only actual documentation that I can provide, is that with the exception of the 106, every model released had a higher model number than the last.
I think this is a tendency, but I do think there are other exceptions.

Examples:  The 140 followed the 700.  But, the 700 was a wood cabinet series. Maybe that's the only other exception.

However:  The 205V (or 205VA) was a version of the 207 set up for the "Key Visualizer" V-500.  I'm not sure which Key Visualizer came first, the 208 or the V-500, but probably the former.  I am under the impression that, either way, the 205VA is from after 1971, meaning after the 207, and has the "5" to keep it in line with the 215VA, which is the 214 similarly set up for the V-500.

The 210 barely shows up in the literature at all.  It seem to be a revamped 203, probably using the later 200A amp.  But it is likely to be later than the original 214, which is a 200 series. 

I think? I just saw a 210 for sale on ebay which is claimed to be from 1975.  The number "214" is scribbled on a plate inside it. hmm.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1975-WURLITZER-210-EP-200A-VINTAGE-ELECTRIC-PIANO-KEYBOARD-SYNTH-w-LEGS-BENCH-/300967954668?nma=true&si=3lTivwz3rduHC7eh2l1OfPSUsXg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557



Anyway, even so:
The 270 and 300 were the very last 2 models produced, circa 1979-1981 for the 270, I think 1980-1981 for the 300.
I now think you are in the right ballpark.  The 270 shows up in newspaper print ads starting in April 1977.  I had an epiphany about checking newspapers last night, and found a lot of amazing stuff.  I will post it soon.

Thanks for you info and insight!

I think part of the reason I doubted the late date on the 270 is that more than one person online is selling theirs and seems to think it dates from "1969."  My theory is that the 270 used some old parts that were lying around -- certainly, it was using 200 amps, not 200As....so the parts could have been manufactured that much earlier.

They are showing up on Craigslist a bunch right now, by the way.  They may be rare, but the ones that are hiding are coming out.  Perhaps they just take up too much space and people want them out.  Google "Wurlitzer Butterfly" and you will find either those or a pre-electronic 40-plus note mini-piano from the 1930s that looks just the same.
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2014, 09:16:38 AM »
I noticed your list had a question about the 210's speaker configuration. I had a 210 and it was equipped with 4x 8" speakers in the lower cabinet and none in the upper case. Two were attached facing the audience side and two facing the players side. 
Wow, thanks!!!  That's a mysterious one.  I wonder why it is so scarcely mentioned in the Wurly lit.
Thanks for sharing your research into these models!
You are welcome!
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2014, 10:17:31 AM »
That is interesting about the listing of the 210 you shared has 214 written on its power rail. The 210 I had was also marked 214 on its rail in the same area. I can look for a pic if you need it. They probably shared amps as they are running the same speaker configuration. I still have my 214 classroom piano and one other thing I remember being different is that the 210 had no student shelf that pulled out. The 214 has the shelf and all of its metal hardware ( name rail, music stand, knobs, legs) is gold instead of the more common silver.

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2014, 10:28:31 AM »
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2014, 12:08:50 PM »
I've moved the order of some listings around.  The 270 is moved later.  Originally, I had the 210(A) directly following the 200A to reflect its parallelism with the earlier 200->203 pairing.  But I think that will make it difficult to find, and it is sort of a home version of the 214A sans wheels (I think), so I put it above the 214A.  This is also sort of in keeping with Steveo's hint that models tended to be numbered in order--even though it is conceivable that the 210 was released after the 214A.

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2014, 03:14:01 PM »
Moved a radical or maybe dumb question to its own thread:

http://ep-forum.com/smf/index.php?topic=8253.0
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2014, 03:43:35 PM »
You can do some amazing newspaper searches on google by adding this to your web search:  site:news.google.com/newspapers

I created a separate thread to highlight the results of my newspaper and magazine searches.  Please upload your own ads and articles, too!

http://ep-forum.com/smf/index.php?topic=8254.0
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 11:32:42 PM »
Nice! I have been working on a similar post for some time now and have a few notes that might be worth sharing...


1) One of the 106P's that passed through my shop was dated 1972. They have a similar amp board to the 200 series so I have always assumed it was a late one but it's hard to say with such a late model. And maybe the boards for the 106 lasted in inventory much later than the switch to 200A production... hard to say but at least I found one date!

2) 270's have the 200A style amplifier in them. As far as I know there was not a 200 style version of the 270 but once again it is a very rare model and maybe they did start that early.
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2014, 12:20:47 PM »
Nice! I have been working on a similar post for some time now and have a few notes that might be worth sharing...


1) One of the 106P's that passed through my shop was dated 1972. They have a similar amp board to the 200 series so I have always assumed it was a late one but it's hard to say with such a late model. And maybe the boards for the 106 lasted in inventory much later than the switch to 200A production... hard to say but at least I found one date!
Yes!  Thank you!  I actually used that date in the chart already: November 7, 1972.  You mentioned it on your blog.  The Schematic is June 1, 1971.  I bet they only made them in 1971-2.  Perhaps, for teaching purposes, it turned out that people just preferred the bigger keyboards.
2) 270's have the 200A style amplifier in them. As far as I know there was not a 200 style version of the 270 but once again it is a very rare model and maybe they did start that early.
The newspaper ads I have found, and a report in "High Fidelity" magazine, lead me to believe that they were introduced around April 1977.  They had it at the Chicago NAMM conference of June 1977.

Thanks for your feedback.

I have added some amps and Key Note Visualizers to the bottom of the list in a new "accessories" section, which I fear could be a slippery slope.  I added the mysterious German 201 variation of the 200 to the end of the list....I have no idea of its year.
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2014, 04:16:10 PM »
No, Max, the 270 only had the "A" style amp. I believe 1977 was the debut year. I used to think it was 1979, but that just may be the first time I ever heard of that model.

The 270 was definitely not around in the '60's or early '70's.

(I remember, because I was getting into Wurlitzers starting around 1972 or so)





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1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 200A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 270 Butterfly Grand
2000 Yamaha acoustic piano
2004 Hammond XK3
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
....and a few guitars...

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2014, 04:33:36 PM »
That's what I thought. I must have misread something because I thought that it was listed as 1970 but I might have been reading the 207...
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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2015, 03:27:13 PM »
https://docwurly.com/wurlitzer-ep-history/wurlitzer-electric-piano-models-a-list/

[EDIT, November 16, 2018--updated to my current website.  --SE]

I have updated this list quite a bit. It now has so many columns that some are not immediately visible, and require scrolling to the right.

One thing I added, on the far right, was two columns including serial numbers.  They are not "earliest" and "latest" but merely the earliest and latest numbers I happen to know right now.  I've been starting to keep track of serial numbers I see, both on ebay and when I repair Wurlies.

I've thanked this site in general and some other sites that I used for some info.  I hope this is OK with the mentioned parties. (let me know)

As before, additions are MUCH appreciated.

I'd say the biggest mysteries right now are in precisely dating the 140B/145B/720B series.....

AND the issue of the early music lab models: 146/147 (no B) and 726/727 (no B).  I am not convinced that these teacher/student models exist without a "B" on the plate, and nobody has every mentioned an "A" version of these.  is there a 727?

The B series was certainly around by June 1966.  But was it around in 1965 or even later 1964?  AND....were they actually still producing them in 1969 and later?  I found one mention on this site of a 140B or 145B with a 1969 stamp inside it.


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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2015, 04:04:10 PM »
Hi!

Your Wurlitzer models list is awesome! Congratulations !

[sorry in advance if my post is off topic but...] I have a question for long time and I ask you because I think you can answer it.
Everytime I watch "Back to the future" I see this Wurlitzer (on the attachment), can you tell me what is this model?

Thanks a lot, Guillaume

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2015, 07:57:19 PM »
That Wurlitzer in Back to the Future is not an electric piano. It is either a combo organ or a digital keyboard.
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 200A EP
1980 Wurlitzer 270 Butterfly Grand
2000 Yamaha acoustic piano
2004 Hammond XK3
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
....and a few guitars...

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2015, 09:24:55 PM »
I agree. I think it's possibly an omni 3500. Basically a combo organ

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2015, 02:14:26 AM »
Thanks guys  ;)

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Re: A list of all (?) Wurlitzer models.
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 10:34:34 AM »
There is a LOT of misinformation throughout this thread.  We now know that the 146 (no "B") is LATER than the 146B, and seems to be a simple renaming, or minor revision of electronics at most.

The 300 is an early 1970s model.

My chart is undergoing constant revision, and any data you folks have is appreciated.

Currently interested in finding the earliest serial numbers, design features and especially wood and transformer dates of 200 (no "A") series instruments.  They are probably all 48xxx, possibly 49xxx for certain console models.

Dates found in 9xxxx 200A series hybrids interest me, too. are there student/teacher/console models in that serial number range?

https://docwurly.com/wurlitzer-ep-history/wurlitzer-electric-piano-models-a-list/

[EDIT, November 16, 2018--updated to my current website.  --SE]




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