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Started by StevenO, June 05, 2017, 03:30:57 PM

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StevenO

Hi Everyone -

I'm new to the forum and new to the world of honest to goodness EPs.  I've played piano and keyboards for over 30 years, but the only EPs I've caressed have been those replicated digitally. 

I found via craiglist yesterday what appears to be a near-perfect Wurly 270 for a ridiculously low price, so I've brought it home and I'm enjoying it immensely.

I'm hoping some of you experienced hands can provide information on some of its features - I think I'm seeing two output jacks on the bottom, I'm guessing one is a line out and one for headphones?

Thanks!
Steven

StevenO


mvanmanen

That looks fantastic. I really never get tired of seeing nice looking wurlitzers.

I remember there is a line out at the bottom that has a trim dial next to it. And then yes a headphone out.
I often plug in a blank end into the headphone jack to disable the internal speakers when I am using an amplifier.
I believe the 270 functions in the same way as a 200a in this regard.
Wurlitzer 200a
Wurlitzer 145
Fender Rhodes (1966, 1971, 1975)
Hohner Clavinet Pianet Duo
Hohner Clavinet D6s and C
Hohner Pianet T
Hohner Pianet N and Combo Pianet
Hammond B3

pianotuner steveo

Uh oh, another Steveo with a 270!

Hey did you get the pedal with it?

I still can not connect my pedal to mine. Mine is missing a part that just can't be found anywhere....
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...

StevenO

OMG, two StevenOs with 270s?  I guess I really have come to the right place. 

Yes, I know I got really lucky with this, fully functional pedal and all.  Which part are you missing?

StevenO

OK, so the headphone jack is near the front, under the volume and vibrato sliders, and the line out with trim toward the back.

Blank plug in the headphone jack is a great tip...

Quote from: mvanmanen on June 05, 2017, 06:34:26 PM
That looks fantastic. I really never get tired of seeing nice looking wurlitzers.

I remember there is a line out at the bottom that has a trim dial next to it. And then yes a headphone out.
I often plug in a blank end into the headphone jack to disable the internal speakers when I am using an amplifier.
I believe the 270 functions in the same way as a 200a in this regard.

pianotuner steveo

My pedal will not connect to the piano. The threaded part that goes inside the bottom of the piano is too short to reach into the piano. It's really bizarre, the part is technically there, but it's not tall enough to reach the threaded bar. Morelock's does not have this part. I have tried finding generic hardware store parts, but no luck. I am baffled. I own this beautiful piece of Wurlitzer history and can only play without a pedal.

What really puzzles me, is why does it have the part, but it's too short? It doesn't look modified.....
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...

mvanmanen

I have only ever played one 270. It sounded amazing through an old Ampeg. But the internal speakers were kind of "meh."
I love the speakers of 200's and 200a's in comparison.
Wurlitzer 200a
Wurlitzer 145
Fender Rhodes (1966, 1971, 1975)
Hohner Clavinet Pianet Duo
Hohner Clavinet D6s and C
Hohner Pianet T
Hohner Pianet N and Combo Pianet
Hammond B3

pianotuner steveo

The 270 uses the same 8" speakers as a 206 in case anyone was wondering.
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...

sean

#9
Hey SteveO - in NY -

Tell me again why you don't make an extension of the bolt that is up inside the 270, so that your pedal can grab.

Why don't you run down to 2500 Cambridge Road, and get a 1/4"-20TPI coupler nut, and a short piece of 1/4-20 threaded rod.  The coupler nuts are usually hanging right near the threaded rod.

Screw the coupler nut over the 1/4-20 stub underneath the 270, and then cut a tiny length of the threaded rod to protrude down enough so that your sustain pedal can grip it.  You could even glue the two parts together (the coupler nut, and the short threaded rod).  You could even hacksaw a slot in the lower end of the coupler nut, so that it could be turned with a screwdriver when it is stuck up into the guts of the Wurly.

Not having a working sustain pedal would drive me crazy.

Sean

StevenO

#10
That does sound pretty curious.  Does your sustain pedal assembly have the adjustable leveler underneath it?   On mine, it raises the whole thing up a fair amount (more than an inch) off the floor - see the photo attached.  Without it, the top of my rod wouldn't reach into the piano body either. 

Quote from: pianotuner steveo on June 06, 2017, 07:21:01 AM
My pedal will not connect to the piano. The threaded part that goes inside the bottom of the piano is too short to reach into the piano. It's really bizarre, the part is technically there, but it's not tall enough to reach the threaded bar. Morelock's does not have this part. I have tried finding generic hardware store parts, but no luck. I am baffled. I own this beautiful piece of Wurlitzer history and can only play without a pedal.

What really puzzles me, is why does it have the part, but it's too short? It doesn't look modified.....

pianotuner steveo

#11
Steveno, that's not the problem. It's where Sean is talkng about.

Sean, I'm not sure what 2500 Cambrdige Road is...

I've searched hardware stores for parts and nothing I've found ever worked or would work.
It's not a high priority, but someday ( The piano is not set up at the moment)
Remember, I have 4 Wurlitzers.

I can look into that when I have time...

UPDATE TO SEAN: they are 2 completely different thread sizes. Your suggestion is what I tried, but the nut on the pedal rod is 7/16" , not 1/4" like inside the piano. I need to go from a 7/16" female to 1/4-20 male... took whole pedal to a hardware store today and they couldn't help me....
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...

Tim Hodges

Quote from: pianotuner steveo on June 07, 2017, 07:07:34 AM
Sean, I'm not sure what 2500 Cambrdige Road is...

Sounds like:

The Home Depot
2500 Cambridge Road,
Schenectady, NY 12304
Bristol Electric Piano
UK

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pianotuner steveo

#13
Oh..that place. I thought it was on a different road. I don't really shop there. There's a Fastenal store nearby.... I checked there once but they had just opened and were completely disorganized.

1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...

pianotuner steveo

#14
I know this is an old thread, but I still can not connect the pedal to the 270, and I have a buyer for the piano. The nut at the top of the piano is not the same thread size as the internal pedal connection, plus, it does not reach the piano. I bought a piece to extend the internal piano rod, but there is still no way to attach it to the pedal rod. They are TWO DIFFERENT thread sizes. I did not realize that when I bought the extension part.  I would need a piece about 2" long that is 1/4" male on one end and 7/16" male on the other end! I don't think there is such thing. Or, a piece that is about 3" long that is 7/16" male on one end and 1/4-20  female on the other end.

Does anyone have a photo of what the end of the pedal rod is supposed to look like on a 270?
I don't know if Morelock's is still around, but when I called them several years ago, they had no idea what I was talking about .

Thank you to Cormac for adding my picture below. As you can see, the rod does not extend beyond the wood. The rod is all the way up on the pedal end, plus the nut is 7/16"  instead of 1/4". Even  if I could swap the  attached nut for a 1/4"", it's still not long enough. I can't slide a 1/4" up the rod  because of the intentional bends in the rod. Does anyone have any ideas?
1960 Wurlitzer model 700 EP
1968 Gibson G101 Combo organ
1975 Rhodes Piano Bass
1979 Wurlitzer 206A EP
2009 73A Rhodes Mark 7
2009 Korg SV-1 73
2017 Yamaha P255
2020 Kawai CA99
....and a few guitars...