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Offline JanustheManus

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Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« on: June 25, 2017, 12:53:42 PM »
I was contemplating on purchasing this other 1976 Stage from my local music store, which is selling for $1200. With no Rhodes ads currently on Craigslist around the SF Bay Area, being reassured that there is a physical Rhodes (which I've played) is very nice. However, the second lowest E sticks after release, yet all of keys play. I opened it up and some tines were out of alignment, but none of the tone bars were out of alignment (and from what I could see) no corrosion had occured.

Also there was an icon on the inside for "Dyno My Piano" but I would have never guessed that this was a Dyno Rhodes. The pre-amp was a normal, passive stage pre-amp.

There are some stains, tears in tolex, rust on screws, et cetera. From what I could hear, there was a lot of bark on this Rhodes, so I would have some voicing to do.

Is it worth the $1200 asking price?

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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2017, 09:32:55 PM »
Here in Michigan, I would expect a $1,200 Stage to be in very good condition and include the lid, legs and sustain pedal with rod.  (Are those items included in the one you are looking at?)  But San Francisco is a very expensive market for lots of things, so maybe someone from that area can comment.

If you are considering it, given the stains and rust, I would very carefully inspect the inside for water or moisture damage, which can be difficult to overcome.

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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2017, 10:24:11 PM »
Thank you!

Yes, in fact the Rhodes does NOT come with a sustain pedal/rod. The employees might say "Oh well you can buy one from Vintage Vibe" but I guess I can use that as a haggling tool. :)


Based on the condition, I have made a list of haggling tools (including the issues listed above). Hopefully negotiating can bring the price down close to what the stage is worth.


Checking for rust, water damage or corrosion is definitely something I have to look out for.



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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 07:00:43 AM »
I think the market has changed in the past year. A year ago, I'd have said $1,200 is way too much for a Rhodes that still needs some work and is missing parts. I've never paid more than $600 for a piano like that.

But like you're seeing out west, my local Craigslist has been devoid of any offers for quite some time. Most pianos listed on ebay right now have very high asking prices though from what I can see, they're not actually selling for those amounts.

Still seems like a lot of money for the condition you described.
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 08:25:31 AM »
For comparison, there is a very good MKII in NH for $1800.  Even comes with spare tines and the original vinyl leg bag. 

https://nh.craigslist.org/msg/6187865320.html

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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2017, 03:36:37 PM »
I see now a few listings on Craigslist again, but only a few. Yes there will some work to do regarding the Rhodes.

I definitely want to voice it after purchasing (I read a thread for "Neo soul setup") And I would want my Rhodes to have that warm sine delicate 70's sound in the future.

Thank you for your input everyone!
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM »
Seems a little pricey. Make sure to look at the action as well i.e. dampers and hammers and make sure none of the finer workings are out of whack.

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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 11:24:48 AM »
The day of purchasing (or not) I will check the action and hammers but there was no sustain pedal included, so it is impossible for me to check sustain or the damper felts.

This Rhodes will take a lot of time and patience to make it come back to health fully. With parts missing and notes sticking, I'm sure I can get the price down to what it's worth.
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 12:25:47 PM »
It occurs to me after reading this thread, that my website could be a good resource for folks looking to get a feel for Rhodes prices. I probably have more patience than most buyers - I can wait for decent deals - but otherwise, I have no special sources or extraordinary bargaining power.

This information is all available on my public site but it's not easy to find. Until I make a summary page, here's a run-down of the pianos I've bought. Each features a pretty thorough photographic record of the piano's condition when I bought it.


781397 - 1981 with plastic keys - $245
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1981-seventy-three-mk-ii-781397/781397-restoration/

32766, 1973 - $600
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1973-seventy-three-mk-i-32766/32766-restoration/

90375, 1976 - $450
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1976-seventy-three-mk-i-90375/90375-restoration/

85966, 1976 - $600
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1976-seventy-three-mk-i-85966/85966-restoration/

37683, 1974 - $600
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1974-seventy-three-mk-i-37683/37683-restoration/

36345, 1974 - $750
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1974-seventy-three-mk-i-37683/37683-restoration/

91066, 1976 - $350
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1976-seventy-three-mk-i-91066/91066-restoration/

604073, 1977 - $600
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1977-seventy-three-mk-i-604073/604073-restoration/

741354, 1978 (Suitcase top) - $300
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/1978-seventy-three-mk-i-741354/741354-restoration/

755167, 1976 - $450
http://www.shadetreekeys.com/755167-restoration/
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2017, 01:28:30 PM »
That matches my experience, too. In recent years, I've bought three Rhodes (two Stages and a Suitcase).  All of them were complete with all accessories and in nice shape, and they all were in the $400-$600 range.  But as David says, this is what you get by being a patient buyer. (Maybe make that "a very patient" buyer.)

It's nice getting bargains. But if you're buying a piano that you plan to keep and enjoy for years, paying a little more is not a big deal. And you get to play it now, instead of waiting months/years for a bargain you may never find. 

Moreover, they are all priceless, IMHO.

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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2017, 02:41:01 PM »
I guess the skill of patient buying is obtained later on, especially since this is my first Rhodes that I will own.

Currently on Craigslist (which [I guess] is not the only way to tell how the market is doing) there is a Peterson 88 Suitcase listed for $2000 and I'm used to seeing prices in the thousands. (But what do I know)

And I'm not a haggler myself but I'll see if I can buy it for at least under $1000.
 
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2017, 02:41:39 PM »
Thank you for all of the suggestions!
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2017, 03:51:01 PM »
Only one of my piano purchases involved any sort of negotiation. The rest were all asking prices.

If I was otherwise Rhodes-less, I'd be impatient and my cost threshold would be much higher.

One drawback of being a pretty solitary person is that I have little contact with members of the local music scene. Consequently, I don't hear about the "I'm moving and need to ditch my piano right now" kind of deals. But I've started to get a few local referrals so hopefully my name will come up more often when opportunity knocks. Right now, it's all Craigslist and ebay for me and they haven't been showing me any love for quite a while.
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2017, 08:02:42 PM »
I want to thank everyone for their input. I have decided that this is not my Rhodes and that it's not worth my money. I know that there's a Rhodes out there that's mine.
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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2017, 03:57:43 AM »
I'm certainly not an expert, but I do live in the North Bay, and I check Craigslist for Rhodes's at least twice a week. I bought my 1975 Rhodes for around $750 around 8 months ago. Incidentally, mine also has the Dyno sticker but no Dyno preamp (which I believe means Chuck Monte regulated the action and voiced the piano...50 years ago). It was in good working condition, good cosmetic shape, and included the legs, braces and sustain pedal/rod. I did, however, spend about 6 months shopping around and waiting for a deal before I made the purchase. I have seen a few go for cheaper (as low as $600) since then, but who knows what kind of condition they were in.

There is currently a '76 suitcase on Craigslist in the South Bay for $900, although it's described as "poor but working condition". The back side tolex is pretty beat up, but it might be worth checking it out. Perhaps the only damage is cosmetic?

I would personally recommend searching Craigslist daily and waiting until you find something cheaper. If it needs some work, that just means that you get to learn more about the instrument and how it works (and how to fix it when something inevitably goes wrong). Just try not to get an instrument with problems that are too difficult/expensive to fix (such as water damage).

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Re: Is it worth the buy? Pt. II
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2017, 09:25:32 AM »
Hey that's cool!

I see that one in the south bay (a yes hopefully only cosmetic damage) but waiting for something cheaper is definitely best. I just hope that the market isn't permanently in the thousands

Thanks!
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