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Is that original ?
« on: February 02, 2018, 04:46:32 PM »
Hi,

I recently bought a 200A is decent shape (very very dusty), and I'm achieving the restoration.

3 pics below (legs and music stand are missing) :

There are few issues to fix : a note is buzzing, a reed is dead, finding legs and music stand (if someone here have it please PM me ;) ), I bought on eBay a set of screws, I'll maybe try a retr0bright on keys someday, so the biggest part is done.

But I have some questions :

1) My wurli has two stickers one each side, like in the picture below... Are they original, I can't see pictures on internet showing this stickers on wurlis... Can you give me some informations about that.
The unique thing I found is on VV website because they do reproductions :

https://www.vintagevibe.com/collections/wurlitzer-logos/products/wurlitzer-200-series-name-logo-sticker

2) As you can see on the picture below, the "black line" on the aluminum rail is missing.
Can I buy it ? What is it ? a tape ? a rubber ?

Thank you !!

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 04:32:10 AM »
Hello,

My 200a is out ! Preamp is ok, amp is ok, when I inject a sound directly on the reed bar I can hear the sound on wurli’s out, but no sound from the reeds...
I checked the resistance between the reed bar and the ground... 0 ! The reed bar is grounded, is that normal ??

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 06:47:04 PM »
Your fuses are likely blown, this is common. The small fuses on the amp board.

I think the black line is just tape.
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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 09:56:58 PM »
I have a picture of Richard Carpenter playing a black Wurlitzer with those smaller stickers on the sides, like yours. That picture was from May 1973, playing at the White House for President Nixon.
I also have another picture where he's playing a black Wurly with the larger sticker on the back, like the one VV sells. That larger sticker can also be seen on the back of Sha Na Na's tan top 200 in the movie 'Woodstock'.
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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 10:41:26 PM »
I checked the resistance between the reed bar and the ground... 0 ! The reed bar is grounded, is that normal ??

Your multimeter should read "0L" not "0"

You have a short in the reedbar somewhere.  Isolate whether it's left or right then go from there.

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 04:38:52 AM »
I bought on eBay a set of screws

Your screws are on their way ;D
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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 07:31:06 AM »
Thank you guys !!

First, the reed bar was grounded, I had a problem with the preamp « reed bar contact »  touching a grounded area, so now it sounds great !

Concerning the black line, I put a black tape that fits perfectly. A friend of mine told me yesterday that is a kind of bumper, is it available in VV or a website like VV ?

Concerning the stickers, it seem to be original, they are at the exact same location, very straight.
Thank you jam88, I’ll check the pictures.
On VV website there is written : “This Wurlitzer logo sticker is a reproduction of the original artist endorsement series.  They were exclusive stickers Wurlitzer gave out to their endorsed clients. We have recreated them to the same exact specs.”
What are endoresment series ? Sorry, I’m French, I don’t really understand the meaning...

Thank you Tim, so you are my seller ^^




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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 07:41:35 AM »
I have a picture of Richard Carpenter playing a black Wurlitzer with those smaller stickers on the sides, like yours. That picture was from May 1973, playing at the White House for President Nixon.
I also have another picture where he's playing a black Wurly with the larger sticker on the back, like the one VV sells. That larger sticker can also be seen on the back of Sha Na Na's tan top 200 in the movie 'Woodstock'.

You can see that sticker on the side of Richard Carpenter's piano in this video of the White House event that Jam88 mentions, starting at about 3:40:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9reH2TJg4E

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 08:16:44 AM »
That's very cool. The black strip which is missing is just a bit of textured black tape running around the side, not very thick.

Looks slightly like this:

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 11:52:26 AM »
Thank you guys for your replies !

The video is cool ! Now I don't know if I leave them or not.. :o

Ok, so the tape is like a thin tolex... Do you know if I can find a reproduction tape ?

In attachement the tape I put and Tim's screws, thank you Tim !

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 03:27:39 PM »
I’d definitely keep the stickers, consider that if it is for an endorsed piano that sets it apart from all the other standard pianos.
It refers to when an artist is  given a piano for free by Wurlitzer to promote their piano, in this case Richard Carpenter was known for playing Wurlitzer’s so would be given one for free to then use on stage. The side stickers then help people identify the piano so they can buy one.

Walter Murphy was given a Hohner D6 as an endorsement (which was later stolen.)

Glad the screws turned up so quickly!
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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 03:47:23 PM »
I agree with Tim Hodges: keep the stickers.

To my knowledge, no one has ever reproduced the smaller side stickers, so even in the absence of any other provenance, suggests that this instrument is kinda special. Is the Wurlitzer logo on the back made of metal, or plastic? What are first three digits of s/n?
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 04:02:54 PM »
Cool guys ! Ok I understand now what's "endorsement"! I'll keep them!

The back logo is made of metal.
SN : 136***L

Inside all seems to be dated from 1979.
I'm really interested if you can tell me more about my piano !

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 07:58:44 PM »
Good! The Wurlitzer badge is real metal, not one of the plastic reproductions that someone added later. My information is that those metal badges were mounted on the last 200A's, somewhere around s/n 135*** to 153***.

My thought was this: if some owner had 'decorated' the piano with a plastic badge, than maybe they also 'decorated' with the side stickers. Since the badge is 'real', and period-correct to the serial number, then doesn't it seem more likely that the side stickers are factory-applied, too?

(The metallized plastic reproduction badges ARE very nice.)   
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 03:20:27 AM »
Yes, that what I thought too ! it's all 'matching numbers", speakers, rail...
The ex-owner told me that he bought the wurlitzer in the 70's as second hand but it was like brand new, and he made 0 modification, he bought it with stickers on it!
 

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 07:22:23 AM »
I put the bottom screws on the wurli, the 2 rubber grommets on top of the lid, but I have a problem for the 2 top screws.
On my wurli the "screw holders" on the harp are missing, I don't know what is exact term in english so I put a picture on attachements...
Do you know where I can buy it ?

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 07:34:13 AM »
Custom Vintage Keys mill their own but I believe Marcel at EP-Service may have some. I'm in need for one piano I'm working on at the moment.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 08:00:30 AM »
Thank you !

Marcel don't have it... I'll contact Custom Vintage Keys!
What's the name of that part ?
I never seen those parts for sale... and you ?


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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 05:09:18 PM »
Those are just the pieces that the music stand screws into. Not sure what the exact name is for those.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 05:21:11 PM »
I found how it’s named, simply “bolts”..

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 05:24:58 PM »
That's weird, because they are more than just bolts. The have female threads for the music stand and male threads to attach to the reed bar.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 01:16:01 AM »
Yes I agree with you, they are more than bolts but technicians I talked to, called them like that. The problem is to name something very special and unique, I cannot name it in French too... or maybe “la piece faisant la jonction entre la harpe et la vis du pupitre...” a bit long ^^

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 08:09:18 AM »
Elegant bit of value-engineering for Wurlitzer to take a 2 cent bolt, drill and tap the end, and have it serve two functions, supporting the lid and fastening the music rack!
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2018, 04:29:54 AM »
Hi guys,

Here's some pictures of my wurlitzer complete with 100% 70's original parts.
The unique thing I'll do this spring is retrobright on keys ! I've seen a post on it, I'll post to have more informations.

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2018, 06:35:04 AM »
Looks incredible.

Great work!
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2018, 11:32:15 AM »
Thank you Tim ! ;)

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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2018, 08:31:03 PM »
I have a picture of Richard Carpenter playing a black Wurlitzer with those smaller stickers on the sides,

Yes I've seen the same photo with Richard. Blurred but discernible.


 

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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 08:42:07 AM »
Cool pictures !!! It's now official, my stickers are originals !
thank you

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Re: Is that original ?
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 02:46:55 PM »
Got the same stickers, same place on mine!
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